AW: [Oberon] Re: 2: Have we got email send authenticate ability ?
W B Hacker
wbh at conducive.org
Wed Feb 15 00:10:10 CET 2006
shark at gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca wrote:
> Chris & Daniel,
> cg> Q- does anybody in the 1st world still use dialup ?
> Yes. At home and at the city apartment.
> dk> We will not use PPP with old analog modems, but with gprs ...
> I view the exclusion of analog modems as an unfortunate
> design decision. Imagine that you exclude 5% of potential users
> because of lack of modem support. Then exclude another 5%
> for lack of printer support. Then another 5% for failure with
> a certain FTP server ... and so on. The net effect is that by
> relatively small economies in implementation you exclude
> a large population of potential users. Conversely, relatively
> small investments in implementation can allow a significantly
> larger audience.
> Regards, ... Peter E.
> Desktops.OpenDoc http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/
> Oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch mailing list for ETH Oberon and related systems
Dialup remains the only available option in all too much of the
'first world' (if suburban/rural USA actual *is* still 'first
I am presently a few miles from Dulles Airport, and just a
rifle-shot away from MAE EAST, but in a community served by
16000 yard (1.5 Km?) local-loop from the telephone CO, hence
outside the range of such (cheap!) *DSL as they choose to deploy.
ISDN (It Still Does Nothing) never caught on for residential use
in the US, as it was priced too high. Higher than 56K nailed-up
and the 2 channels could not be 'bonded' anyway. V.90 was
actually faster (compression) for most use.
Cable modem was, until relatively recently, 'downlink only', and
satellite still largely is - requiring a simultaneously-live
dial-up for uplink and control.
Until last year, the only option here was to load the PowerBook
in the car and motor over to a Starbucks Coffee or Borders
bookstore to use T-mobile WiFi, often from the carpark at 2AM.
I have an 'emergency' USB cable from PowerBook to my Motorola
GPRS handset, but bandwidth is spotty and costs are outrageous
compared to V.90+ on landline.
Then there are hotels and such in many of the world's major
cities that still have no WiFi or LAN...
Need for dial-up may be vanishing, but at least GPRS / 3G can be
expected to take the place, and something has to be able to work
to that 'universe'.
I don't consider it a show-stopper for Aos, but it need not be
done over and over again, and would be a useful 'core' resource
to have ppp. Not to forget there are 'broadband' provders who
use PPPoE as well.
Note also that the old QNX 1-floppy demo had it all built-in,
and configuration for a huge number of modems as well.
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