[Oberon] Re: filesystem with directories ?
easlab at absamail.co.za
easlab at absamail.co.za
Wed May 3 14:00:56 CEST 2006
Doug Danforth wrote:
> What this whole thread comes down to is information
> retrieval and pattern matching.
Yes information retrieval, inevitably BY pattern matching.
That's why I've said 'find' utilities are important, and
why Google has become important to 'humanity', and
since time/recentcy(?sp) is a natural attribute of things, so
sorting [stacking] by 'newness' is often more meaningfull
than alphbetical sorting.
Some interesting schemes have been raised in this thread which
we [ETH community] will never implement. But I think OP
wants a solution NOW. Well I too was becoming very
unsatisfied as my file-count increased, until partitions
were implemented for N-O.
Some writer[s] have trivialised "only for human convenience".
But for P[ersonal] Cs [vs computers for automatically operating
machines] nothing can be more important than 'human
We count in decimal only 'cos we've got 10 fingers, and having
20 to 30 letters is also only a human limitation. IMO the "7 +-4
rule" is not insignificant: most people can only remember 3
to ?..7 things. So a deep heirarchy becomes humanly
The idea of using fileIDs like:
seems not so good to me.
1.The important HUMAN attribute based principle of
'information hiding' is lost. When I'm working in my
medical-partition, I don't want to be distracted by my
2. Has "." [dot] got any [non human] extra significance as a
FileIdChar ? As previously stated, I no longer use *.Text,
since a false 'chord' on 'JohnText' won't give a potentially
dangerous command: P.M ; as John.Text could.
3. we don't want to see long FileIDs [which are mostly
redunant] when smaller ones will do ? BTW a killer aspect
of N-O is that you need/should never type-in a fileID
except at its initial creation.
No one mentioned that apparently N-O's 'B-tree' scheme is
apparently faster than Win or Linux ?
So yes, the OP is realistically justified in wanting different
file-space-categories, to assist in management eg. searching.
I've found 3 levels of heirarchy OK for my text files:
partitions > files > 'chapters'.
My 'chapters' are like this; eg. the begining of my 'TelCom:RFCs' looks
1. 1855 = Netiquette Guidelines
2. Uniform Resource Locators (URL)
3. POP3 - 1939
4. RFC-Editor Webpage
5. POP3 - 1725
18. SMTP Service Extension for Authentication = RFC 2554
19. Using TLS with IMAP, POP3 and ACAP = RFC 2595
20. Requirements for Large-scale Multicast Applications = RFC 1855
partitions= TelCom, files=RFCs and because of N-Os magic
chording-speed, you get [in the TextFrameOfTheFile] down
to the begining of the 'chapter',
eg. '3. POP3 - 1939' in a fraction of a second.
Perhaps partitions are not available on WinAos/BB ?
There is a potential problem/danger with partitions: since they are
implemented by a chain of links, if the chain breaks at partition
N all further partitions are potentially lost, unless the 'partition
linking info' has been saved -- which is easily done when the
partitions are initially created. But needs to be documented.
It's these trivial/naive details which make for robust usability ?
So if you have a dozen conceptual-categories, and you want
say 3 cycles of backup-roll-over, you'd need 36 partitions.
I must admit that backup is problematic.
Searching a partition is fast.
Using a 'pre-compiled' list of non-redundant files:
ie. omitt the *.Bak and
having a textFrame eqivalent of
PLUS extra potential info via differently coloured FileIDs
[N-O's quickColouring of text ads powerful/cheap intellignece
to data. eg FileIDs with a certain attribute (which may be only
applicable for some-time <while they're 'current'> can be
which is called 'TelCom:SearchTemplate' , and which looks like:
---------- start of file:
Updated 2004 Dec 31 Find.All ^ Find.MultiPatrn "DECT" "axton" ~
---------- end of file.
This Text [dir of files] is only updated when new files are added, which
is seldon, since most additions are 'chapters' to existing files.
Of course with clumsy Windoof eg. where you can't easly search,
cutNpaste, ...etc. such schemes are not practical.
To find <textString> in the partition, you just select <textString>
and hit 'Find.Domain' & 'Find.All ^'.
For 'the list of files which contain the set of strings [in any order]'
I've modified the existing Find.Mod - with a disgusting unstructured hack
which hopefully someone will clean before it's admitted - because
some times one is desperate to find the file which contained that
strange set of words scattered somewhere in the text.
Suggesting search keys is an art ? I sometimes go into a trance to
dig out recollections from my sub-concious.
That hard-AI failed, and that tools which interface well with humans
have yielded powerfull results, suggests that N-Os way of having
convenient [good human interface] tools is the most fruitfull route.
Columbus and Watson are good examples of tools which can help
move the system forward.
... to be continued as new thread: "Evolving tool sets..."
== Chris Glur.
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