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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Sören,<br>
<br>
could you be a bit more specific about this graphics genius and
his achievements?<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Dieter<br>
<br>
Am 20.11.2017 um 18:48 schrieb Søren Renner:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.8px">That?s another way
of saying that Oberon isn?t exactly a growth</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">story. There were more Oberon
developers in the 90s..</span><br>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Well, but at least one of
the current coders working in Oberon has created something
that will shake the foundations of realtime graphics. So
Oberon might become less obscure again.</span></div>
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1. Re: V4 versus S3 survey (eas lab)<br>
2. Re: Translating ETHOberon 2.5 to C (eas lab)<br>
3. Re: V4 versus S3 survey (Skulski, Wojciech)<br>
4. Re: V4 versus S3 survey (Douglas G Danforth)<br>
5. V4 versus S3 survey (Andreas Pirklbauer)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 13:16:43 +0000<br>
From: eas lab <<a href="mailto:lab.eas@gmail.com"
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Subject: Re: [Oberon] V4 versus S3 survey<br>
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It's important to realise why-would-you-want-to-use Oberon ?<br>
When you have a complex problem, that needs simultaneous
inspection of<br>
many files,<br>
and intermediate reluslts, and especially where coloring
parts of the<br>
textFrames shows<br>
the otherwise difficult to appreciate relationship between
various<br>
sections of the text in<br>
the various TextFrames.<br>
In the 90s Oberon gave these advantages [still
unsurpassed], but the<br>
introduction<br>
of new technology, eg, the monsterously complex USB, could
have made ETHO<br>
redundant, had ETHO not been portable enough to be allowed
to ride-on-top-of<br>
*nix.<br>
<br>
For me: V4 was the only version I could find, while I was
forced to use M$pook;<br>
and like the *nix version was some relief from the
restrictions of M$, but like<br>
the *nix version lacked the ease of directly being able to
read/write anywhere<br>
in the file tree -- which AFAIK only Linux Eth Oberon can
do.<br>
LEO also has the massively powerful ability to directly
execute *nix commands<br>
and scripts [and show the results]. So eg. the [absurd IMO]
inability<br>
to <List the<br>
N most recently-ordered files>, needs only LEO's
System.Execute to call:<br>
Lz /mnt/USBstik/Med/Cases/F*g/ 22<br>
to show the name and size of the ordered-by-recentcy 22
files, in directory<br>
[don't use M$pook baby-talk and call it a folder]
/mnt/USBstik/Med/Cases/F*g/<br>
.....<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 01:39:25 +0000<br>
From: eas lab <<a href="mailto:lab.eas@gmail.com"
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Subject: Re: [Oberon] Translating ETHOberon 2.5 to C<br>
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<Note sheet> format must be very <graphic>,<br>
getting close to hardware ?<br>
Needing access to ETHO's functions which don't exist in C.<br>
C is just a language, not an OS.<br>
<br>
ETHOberon is a language and an OS [driving hardware].<br>
These O to C translators wont handle the <Note sheet
rendering>.<br>
<br>
PublicDomain wily [my most used linux utility] is based on
ETHO:<br>
mouse-chording & multiple TextFrames in multiple Tracks
accessible<br>
on the single screen. But they've just copied the CONCEPTS
and not<br>
tried to translate-Oberon-to-C<br>
<br>
Unless your app just generates the <data> which is
finally fed to some<br>
<standard renderer>. Eg. we can use any
language/system to translate<br>
a text file to a corresponding pdf rendering of it.<br>
But the final <note sheet> is created by the pdf
renderer.<br>
<br>
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 06:41:45 +0000<br>
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Hello:<br>
<br>
I want to thank everybody who responded. Those who did
not, please do!<br>
<br>
The results thus far are available through this link. I hope
it works for everybody.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-YSV9HDQJ8/"
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My impression looking at the results is the following:<br>
<br>
1. The community is small. Assuming that 29 persons who
responded (thank you!) represent 1/2 of the community, there
are under 100 Oberon users worldwide.<br>
<br>
2. I was surprised that many of you prefer the original TUI
Oberon over V4 or S3.<br>
<br>
3. I was even more surprised to see six FPGA developers,
plus seven potential developers. It is more than I know in
the entire nuclear physics community, where FPGAs are
critically important. Our community could serve the entire
country!<br>
<br>
4. There are three potential board developers, including
myself.<br>
<br>
5. The market for a new more powerful board is six
customers.<br>
<br>
So this is quite interesting. Good to know!<br>
<br>
Thank you again!<br>
<br>
Wojtek<br>
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 23:43:48 -0800<br>
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Don't forget the Russian contingent who are developing in<br>
BlackBox/Component Pascal.<br>
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On 11/19/2017 10:41 PM, Skulski, Wojciech wrote:<br>
> 1. The community is small. Assuming that 29 persons who
responded (thank you!) represent 1/2 of the community, there
are under 100 Oberon users worldwide.<br>
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> 1. The community is small. Assuming that 29 persons who<br>
> responded (thank you!) represent 1/2 of the community,<br>
> there are under 100 Oberon users worldwide.<br>
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That?s another way of saying that Oberon isn?t exactly a
growth<br>
story. There were more Oberon developers in the 90s..<br>
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