<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">I apologize. I never used Oberon before and just following the mailing list to learn more here and there. Some things really cry for a [citation needed]. Pf you could back them up with a few reasons i could really lern something about Oberon.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-11-21 17:07 GMT+01:00 Bob Walkden <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bob@web-options.com" target="_blank">bob@web-options.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Something is successful to the extent that it achieves its stated aims.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><div style="font-family:monospace,monospace;display:inline" class="gmail_default">I </div> <div style="font-family:monospace,monospace;display:inline" class="gmail_default">agree on that defintion. But it is wrong to apply in that case.</div><div style="font-family:monospace,monospace;display:inline" class="gmail_default"><br> </div><div style="font-family:monospace,monospace;display:inline" class="gmail_default">Something was succesfull if it archieved what in retrospect would have been a good aim.<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-GB"><div class="gmail-m_-2990809846321787418WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>What I have seen is the ideas of Oberon increasingly, and often explicitly, </span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><div style="font-family:monospace,monospace;display:inline" class="gmail_default">[citation needed]</div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-GB"><div class="gmail-m_-2990809846321787418WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span>adopted by more mainstream languages, such as Java, Go, C#. </span></p></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-GB"><div class="gmail-m_-2990809846321787418WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span>So it has at least been a very influential language / system,
and while the languages cited may fall some way short of the jewel-like perfection of Oberon, </span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><div style="font-family:monospace,monospace;display:inline" class="gmail_default">That has LISP-like snobishness to it. I like that but i would also like to understand what justifies the use of such words.</div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-GB"><div class="gmail-m_-2990809846321787418WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span>at least they are significant improvements on most their predecessors, thanks to Oberon.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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