<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I agree: renaming/rebranding is a headache:<div>Previously Raider, now Twix.</div><div>Previously Tokyo Telecom Engineering, now Sony</div><div><span style="caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Lato, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.2);">Previously Doris Mary Ann Kappelhoff, now Doris Day</span></div><div>Previously System 3, now ETH Oberon.</div><div><br></div><div>From a branding perspective „System 3“ is poor: It’s too broad, it can be anything. It does not tell what it is, neither who developped it. So to better differentiate against „Linz Oberon“ (the Oberon fork develeopped at the Johannes Kepler university in Linz) System 3 was renamed to „ETH Oberon“. You now know, it‘s Oberon, and you now know its root.</div><div><br>So just forget S3, System3 and other names you might have come along</div><div><br></div><div>br<br><div dir="ltr"><div>Jörg</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">Am 22.06.2020 um 20:58 schrieb peter@easthope.ca:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>Hi,</span><br><span></span><br><span>From thomas.kral at email.cz Mon Jun 1 08:36:21 2020</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>There were pages showing System and Language genealogy over the years </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>at ETH. Can be possibly recovered from WebArchive (way back machine), </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>anyone tried?</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>In archive.org the last snapshot of the "Oberon Language Genealogy Tree" is here. </span><br><span>https://web.archive.org/web/20191207132227/http://www.ethoberon.ethz.ch/genealogy.html</span><br><span></span><br><span>Appears the translation from ethz.ch to archive.org spoiled the format </span><br><span>of the table. If anyone knows of a correct image, PDF or on paper, </span><br><span>that will help. Thanks.</span><br><span></span><br><span>In archive.org the last snapshot of the "ETH Oberon System Genealogy </span><br><span>Tree" is here.</span><br><span>https://web.archive.org/web/20191207073002/http://www.ethoberon.ethz.ch/genealsys.html</span><br><span>Aside from glitches in borders, the format appears OK. A copy is </span><br><span>being salvaged.</span><br><span></span><br><span>From: Joerg <joerg.straube at iaeth.ch></span><br><span>Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 07:04:27 +0200</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>In 2000, System 3 was renamed to ??? ETH Oberon System???. System 3 </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>should not be used anymore unless you refer to some intermediate </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>version of the ETH Oberon System between 1995 and 2000.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>The wikibook should satisfy two criteria. </span><br><span>(1) Formal correctness. Straightforward for the experts, Joerg and </span><br><span>many others. For a novice formal correctness is water off a duck's </span><br><span>back. =8~)</span><br><span></span><br><span>(2) Comprehensibility. Straightforward for the experts since decades </span><br><span>ago. =8~) Frequently troublesome for a novice. =8~(</span><br><span></span><br><span>(1) & (2) can conflict. Ambiguity of names is a source of confusion </span><br><span>and annoyance. How can "System 3" and "ETH Oberon System" be handled </span><br><span>without insulting correctness and without causing confusion?</span><br><span></span><br><span>"Young Mr. and Mrs. Smith welcome their first baby. Inspired with </span><br><span>simplicity, they register his name as Jon Smith. Grandparents </span><br><span>complain a little. No problem. =8~)</span><br><span></span><br><span>Jon reaches 15 years. Mom and dad are middle aged and regret the </span><br><span>choice of name. So they rename their son James-William George Smith. </span><br><span>With a bit of formality the new name is in the government registry. </span><br><span>=8~) Grandparents say: What is wrong with these parents; giving the </span><br><span>poor boy a headache. Jon's friends say: How must we call you now; Jon </span><br><span>or James-William or George or Smith?</span><br><span></span><br><span>Jon has an idea: I'm taller now but still me; all me J. Friends are </span><br><span>happy. J is happy. =8~) Parents are annoyed. =8~) Grandparents </span><br><span>say: A short name is better than a long one. =8~)"</span><br><span></span><br><span>So I still think of alias S3 meaning "System 3" or "ETH Oberon </span><br><span>System"; at risk of annoying some. _Better_Ideas_ always welcome. =8~)</span><br><span></span><br><span>TTFN, ... P. or L. (whichever works)</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-- </span><br><span>https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Medical_Machines</span><br><span>https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Oberon</span><br><span>Tel: +1 604 670 0140 Bcc: peter at easthope. ca</span><br><span></span><br><span>--</span><br><span>Oberon@lists.inf.ethz.ch mailing list for ETH Oberon and related systems</span><br><span>https://lists.inf.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/oberon</span><br></div></blockquote></div></body></html>