[Oberon] PPP

[Ghost in the Machine]

>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 22:51:18 +0200
> From: Edgar Schwarz <edgar at edgarschwarz.de>
> To: oberon at inf.ethz.ch
> CC: edgar at edgarschwarz.de
> Subject: [Oberon] Ghostly problems with Oberon PPP.
> Reply-To: oberon at inf.ethz.ch
>
> "Ghost in the Machine" <cangelich at famvid.com> wrote:
>   > Subject:	[Oberon] Oberon on COM4  now
>   > Date:	(No, or invalid, date.)
> NO Mail didn't see a date with your mails so I overlooked you mails
> for a while because they were sorted in out of sight at the bottom
> of my inbox.

If I can ever get Oberon online that date problem will go away.

>   > I'm not able to get connected to my ISP just yet.

> Then let's work on that.

>   > I open Oberon.Text and fill in all the information
>   > along with username, password, and host then
>   > I find a `note' telling me that to use PAP login
>   > I must use add "Call PPPMain.Startinst <provider> <user>"
>   > as the last command in the login script.

> I admit that provider is redundant because at this moment you are
> already in the dial script. Just a leftover from former times.

The instructions stored within Oberon are wrong because no one
deleted the old ones?

>   > THEN it tells me to  to use
>   > NetSystem.SetUser pap:<user><:password>@<provider>
>   > to set the password before dialing?

> That's the correct way.

OK.  It would be a good idea for me to delete the wrong instructions,
correct?

>   > Why did I put the password into the "NetSystem"
>   > routine if I was going to have to do it using
>   > NetSystem.SetUser?

> Sorry. PPP and Oberon.Text are out of sync here. No more
> PAPName in Oberon.Text.

I'm glad you know all this.  I would hate to have to read the
source code trying to find this out the hard way.

>   > I don't like having my username
>   > and password hard-coded into Oberon in the
>   > first place

> Therefore this was changed many months ago.

Changing this is/was good.  Not updating the install not
so good.

>   > but 3 times each?  Is someone
>   > playing a joke here or what?

> Just things being out of sync.

I get the out of sync part but not sure how I would've
figured this out without assistance?

>   > The upshot of all this is Oberon will now dialout
>   > but the script is not making a connection with
>   > my ISP (as though it's looking for a fourth version
>   > of my username/password?   LOL

> This really would be too much. LOLROTF.

I'm learning not to expect the obvious and am anticipating
everything and anything.

>   > Does this mean
>   > I must enter the fully qualified URL (numbers)
>   > when it asks for my "provider'?
> Did you read PPP.Text and PPP.Tool ?

No.  Was there a note telling me they were available
or is this intended to be intuitive?  I wasn't aware that
".Tool"s were to be read.

>   > I really wish PPP logins would display some
>   > status information as they go along rather
>   > than just sitting and not knowing if it's
>   > working or not I might have a CLUE as
>   > to why it is taking so long or why it
>   > fails entirely.

> Use PPP logging even if that's probebly more than you want.

I'm guessing that you believe the how-to for PPP logging
is within the PPP.Text file and that I will be able to scroll
to the bottom of that page and read all of it?

>   > I really must ask, does Native/Oberon 08.12.02
>   > connect to any ISP via dialup for anyone so far?
> I can't speak of 08.12.02 because I don't have that installed at
> the moment. But yes, PPP connects at least with a couple of ISPs
> for several years now. And with Aos it at least connects to mine already.

That was a typo.  I meant Native/Oberon/Beta 08.12.00

Good to know that it will work eventually.

>   > Before you tell me to RTFM read the next message.

> Nevertheless I couldn't resist the RTFM :-)

> If by next message you meant the one where you acknowledged the
> miserable life of a PPP client I read it.

I don't recall writing that?

Anyhow, no, I was referring to the fact that the Oberon documentation
is obviously word-wrapped for an 800x600 display but Chapter2.Text
can't be scrolled past the chart of compiler switches if you aren't using
a 1024x768 driver.  With the 1024 about 1/3 of the frame is white-space
and the text is very very small.   Not good either way really.

> If you RTFMed and have some comments to improve the stuff just
> go to http://www.edgar-schwarz.de/cgi-bin/wwwboard.pl and add
> it there. Perhaps this could became a users contribution to


> Oberon PPP problems.

I've got a reworked version of wwwboard that I was using at my
website for awhile.  I am planning to put it back one of these days.
Maintenance nightmare but the perl code does work. ;-)

Won't be much help to me though.  I don't speak German (but am
one half German).

> So it would be accessible to anybody (As soon as I add this link
> to the docs) even before it's edited and really added to the docs.
> Then drop a note to me that you added something. At least as long

> as I don't receive a note when somebody added an article to the board.
>
> Edgar Schwarz, edgar at edgarschwarz.de, http://www.edgarschwarz/oberon

You didn't include the ".de"  in your URL, it doesn't work as typed.

When I tried to download the PPP.Tool documentation I get:

Unable to open http://www.edgarschwarz.de/oberon/PPP120.ARC. The site
reports that the item you requested could not be found.

Sometimes I feel I am the only person actually checking this stuff. :-\

Charles.Angelich

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