[Oberon] Oberon Digest, Vol 162, Issue 8

Mon Nov 20 18:48:48 CET 2017

That?s another way of saying that Oberon isn?t exactly a growth
story. There were more Oberon developers in the 90s..

Well, but at least one of the current coders working in Oberon has created
something that will shake the foundations of realtime graphics. So Oberon
might become less obscure again.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 6:00 AM, <oberon-request at lists.inf.ethz.ch> wrote:

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>    1. Re: V4 versus S3 survey (eas lab)
>    2. Re: Translating ETHOberon 2.5 to C (eas lab)
>    3. Re: V4 versus S3 survey (Skulski, Wojciech)
>    4. Re: V4 versus S3 survey (Douglas G Danforth)
>    5.  V4 versus S3 survey (Andreas Pirklbauer)
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> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 13:16:43 +0000
> From: eas lab <lab.eas at gmail.com>
> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] V4 versus S3 survey
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> It's important to realise why-would-you-want-to-use Oberon ?
> When you have a complex problem, that needs simultaneous inspection of
> many files,
> and intermediate reluslts, and especially where coloring parts of the
> textFrames shows
> the otherwise difficult to appreciate relationship between various
> sections of the text in
> the various TextFrames.
>   In the 90s Oberon gave these advantages [still unsurpassed], but the
> introduction
> of new technology, eg, the monsterously complex USB, could have made ETHO
> redundant, had ETHO not been portable enough to be allowed to
> ride-on-top-of
> *nix.
>
> For me: V4 was the only version I could find, while I was forced to use
> M$pook;
> and like the *nix version was some relief from the restrictions of M$, but
> like
> the *nix version lacked the ease of directly being able to read/write
> anywhere
> in the file tree -- which AFAIK only Linux Eth Oberon can do.
> LEO also has the massively powerful ability to directly execute *nix
> commands
> and scripts [and show the results]. So eg. the [absurd IMO] inability
> to <List the
> N most recently-ordered files>, needs only LEO's System.Execute to call:
>   Lz /mnt/USBstik/Med/Cases/F*g/  22
> to show the name and size of the ordered-by-recentcy 22 files, in directory
> [don't use M$pook baby-talk and call it a folder]
> /mnt/USBstik/Med/Cases/F*g/
> .....
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 01:39:25 +0000
> From: eas lab <lab.eas at gmail.com>
> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Translating ETHOberon 2.5 to C
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> <Note sheet> format must be very <graphic>,
> getting close to hardware ?
> Needing access to ETHO's functions which don't exist in C.
> C is just a language, not an OS.
>
> ETHOberon is a language and an OS [driving hardware].
> These O to C translators wont handle the <Note sheet rendering>.
>
> PublicDomain wily [my most used linux utility] is based on ETHO:
> mouse-chording & multiple TextFrames in multiple Tracks accessible
> on the single screen. But they've just copied the CONCEPTS and not
> tried to translate-Oberon-to-C
>
> Unless your app just generates the <data> which is finally fed to some
> <standard renderer>. Eg. we can use any language/system to translate
> a text file to a corresponding pdf rendering of it.
> But the final <note sheet> is created by the pdf renderer.
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 06:41:45 +0000
> From: "Skulski, Wojciech" <skulski at pas.rochester.edu>
> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] V4 versus S3 survey
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> Hello:
>
>   I want to thank everybody who responded. Those who did not, please do!
>
> The results thus far are available through this link. I hope it works for
> everybody.
>
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-YSV9HDQJ8/
>
> My impression looking at the results is the following:
>
> 1. The community is small. Assuming that 29 persons who responded (thank
> you!) represent 1/2 of the community, there are under 100 Oberon users
> worldwide.
>
> 2. I was surprised that many of you prefer the original TUI Oberon over V4
> or S3.
>
> 3. I was even more surprised to see six FPGA developers, plus seven
> potential developers. It is more than I know in the entire nuclear physics
> community, where FPGAs are critically important. Our community could serve
> the entire country!
>
> 4. There are three potential board developers, including myself.
>
> 5. The market for a new more powerful board is six customers.
>
> So this is quite interesting. Good to know!
>
> Thank you again!
>
> Wojtek
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> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 23:43:48 -0800
> From: Douglas G Danforth <danforth at greenwoodfarm.com>
> To: oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] V4 versus S3 survey
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> Don't forget the Russian contingent who are developing in
> BlackBox/Component Pascal.
>
> On 11/19/2017 10:41 PM, Skulski, Wojciech wrote:
> > 1. The community is small. Assuming that 29 persons who responded (thank
> you!) represent 1/2 of the community, there are under 100 Oberon users
> worldwide.
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> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:49:46 +0100
> From: Andreas Pirklbauer <andreas_pirklbauer at yahoo.com>
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> Subject: [Oberon]  V4 versus S3 survey
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> > 1. The community is small. Assuming that 29 persons who
> > responded (thank you!) represent 1/2 of the community,
> > there are under 100 Oberon users worldwide.
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> That?s another way of saying that Oberon isn?t exactly a growth
> story. There were more Oberon developers in the 90s..
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