<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><br></div><div>I also absolute agree like marcus.</div><div>One important but not easy to solve problem is to follow to goals at ones (related to the presentation of information).</div><div><br></div><div>First goal:</div><div>I think it is very important to setup a focused approach related to a FPGA Oberon system project.</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><pre>- an easy to get and ready to use “Oberon Starter Kit” (FPGA System and Emulation-System)</pre></div></blockquote><div>Second goal:</div></div><div>On the other hand it would be very important to build a ecosystem around the language oberon and related software and products available today like the boards supported by CFB Software.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><pre>- a “Project Oberon Manifesto”: Goals, principles, values, ...</pre></div></blockquote><div>==> it would be good to discuss the goal of the “Oberon Starter Kit” or the thing which could be build or developed with the “Oberon Starter Kit”</div><div><br></div><div>There different option and directions. </div><div><br></div><div>One direction is a more retro oriented direction</div></div><blockquote type="cite"><br>Yes, that would be nice, a new "Ceres System".<br><br>Look here, some other examples<br><br>- <a href="http://www.harbaum.org/till/mist/index.shtml">http://www.harbaum.org/till/mist/index.shtml</a>.<br>- <a href="http://www.experiment-s.de/de/">http://www.experiment-s.de/de/</a><br>- <a href="http://acp.atari.org/">http://acp.atari.org/</a><br>- <a href="http://danstrother.com/fpga-nes/">http://danstrother.com/fpga-nes/</a><br>- <a href="http://fpga64.blogspot.de/">http://fpga64.blogspot.de/</a><br>- <a href="http://www.fpgaarcade.com/">http://www.fpgaarcade.com/</a><br><br><div> </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Another direction could be a solution based on a new FPGA board with one main additional component - an ethernet interface</div><div>With this addition Dougs proposal could be implemented.</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite">How about this.<br><br>Can the FPGA-Oberon be made into a "server"?<br><br>If so AND if it is cheaper AND faster AND more reliable<br>AND easier to program than current servers then you<br>will have a huge market.<br><br>-Doug</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>From my point of view this direction could also create a new future for oberon. </div><div>We could build cool „internet of things“ staff !</div><div><br></div><div>I know this will increase the complexity but on the other side a ethernet interface is the modern alternative of the rs232 interface.</div><div><br></div><div>In this scenario we could have to boards.</div><div><br></div><div>One Oberon base board which include the components to run the current oberon system ( rs232, vga, ..) as a IDE and a compact board like <a href="http://numato.com/waxwing-spartan-6-mini-module">http://numato.com/waxwing-spartan-6-mini-module</a></div><div><br></div><div>The price could be a problem. But the price is also related to the count of the produced “Oberon Starter Kits”.</div><div><br></div><div>Another solution could be to only use a compact board with a ethernet interface and the user interface is implemented using HTML5.</div><div>On the FPGA Oberon board running oberon services which communicate over http / web sockets.</div><div><br></div><div>I know the ethernet / TCP / IP / HTTP / Web socket stack will add a high complexity but with these architecture we can also build very interesting solutions. Some of them could be also interesting for commercial directions. </div><div>Commercial perspectives could be very useful to find sponsoring partners !</div><div><br></div><div>For me oberon as a language is a more secure alternative a the language C.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Best regards</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Andreas </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><br></div><br><div><div>Am 04.05.2014 um 10:13 schrieb <a href="mailto:volkert@nivoba.de">volkert@nivoba.de</a>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><pre lang="en-US" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 12px;">My addition: For me the top issue is how to get more attention and a larger community?</pre><pre lang="en-US" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 12px;">Here are my ideas:</pre><pre>- a “Project Oberon Manifesto”: Goals, principles, values, ...
- an easy to get and ready to use “Oberon Starter Kit” (FPGA System and Emulation-System)
- some essiantial howto's, beginner tutorials
- an “Oberon lesson plan” to help studing the “System Oberon System”
- some nice showcases (community projects, nice pictures, ...)
- documentation (all the NW Books are perfect here)
- some kind of “Project Oberon Board” to create a vision, make decisions about future directions (f.e. move to a new fpga-board, target plattforms, usb-support, color support, ...)
- a product backlog and roadmap for the next 3-5 years
- a bounty scheme to sponsor fixes and future developments
- open and transparent development
- one stop shop for “Project Oberon” (news, blogs, download, development, community, )
- …
Stupid ideas?
</pre><pre lang="en-US" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 12px;">BW,
Volkert
</pre><div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 03.05.2014 10:51, schrieb<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:volkert@nivoba.de">volkert@nivoba.de</a>:<br></div><blockquote cite="mid:5364ADF5.3050502@nivoba.de" type="cite"><pre wrap="">Dear all,
what are the top issues needs to be addressed to breath more life into
"project oberon" to
save its future development?
BW,
Volkert
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