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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 05.05.2014 14:04, schrieb Andreas
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<div>I also absolute agree like marcus.</div>
<div>One important but not easy to solve problem is to follow to
goals at ones (related to the presentation of information).</div>
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<div>First goal:</div>
<div>I think it is very important to setup a focused approach
related to a FPGA Oberon system project.</div>
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<pre>- an easy to get and ready to use “Oberon Starter Kit” (FPGA System and Emulation-System)</pre>
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<div>Second goal:</div>
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<div>On the other hand it would be very important to build
a ecosystem around the language oberon and related software and
products available today like the boards supported by CFB
Software.</div>
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<pre>- a “Project Oberon Manifesto”: Goals, principles, values, ...</pre>
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<div>==> it would be good to discuss the goal of the “Oberon
Starter Kit” or the thing which could be build or developed
with the “Oberon Starter Kit”</div>
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Here my thoughts:<br>
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What is
the path we want to evolve into the “Future Oberon”? (A)
Project Oberon 2013 (B) ETH-Oberon or (C) AOS/A2? For me it is A or
B. A <br>
is alive, but at current state not more than a “teaching”
object. Stuck in 199X. B seams dead, but more feature complete.
Stuck
in 200X. <br>
C is alive, more feature complete, support of multi core /
multi processor. State of the Art, compared with A or B. Maybe it is
easier to <br>
reanimate B, than to move forward with A. Maybe it is the best
to go with C and forget A and B. Anyway. Let's say A “Project Oberon
2013” is <br>
the
future, where do we want to put the focus on? Client-System (=
Workstation),
Small Server-Systems (incl. Embedded System). For me both. A Client
is <br>
useless without Server. So better graphic capabilities and
at least network/communication capabilities are essential for
Oberon. Next,
what is the best runtime <br>
platform for “Project Oberon 2013” to archieve this capabilities?
Options: (A) A Small RISC5 inspired VM on top of a host
system, (B) Native System or <br>
(C) RISC5 FPGA based System? For me it is first A, then
B then C. With A we are able to reuse capabilities of the host
system.
It make is easier to experiment <br>
with future System Oberon features
and it has the best portability. B would also be nice, on top of a
ARM based System, like the Raspberry Pi, Beaglebone, …, but <br>
you
need drivers, and at best some kind of HAL for portabilty here. It
is definitially more work than A, may be worth the effort. i am
sure the ARM Architecture <br>
is here to stay for the next 20 years and has powerfull soc
implementations. C is quite interesting, but I believe it is
damned to fail, when migration to <br>
a new fpga-board is so hard to
archive. I am bit shocked about the statement from Paul Reed. I can
not believe it, when i see all the other FPGA-Retro <br>
Computer System Projects, which are n-times complexer than Oberon.
How about new capabities (graphics, network), when you are limited
with this (legacy) <br>
fpga system? Ok, Dead End.
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 100%" lang="en-US">So if
the “Seed” is “Project Oberon 2013” and "FPGA is a Dead End" the
“Oberon Starter
Kit” for me is the current “Project Oberon 2013” with <br>
Peter de
Wachter's Emulator (for Windows, Linux, OS X, Raspberry Pi), all
the documentation and an idea how to move forward from here <br>
(in spirit of "Project Oberon" -> Manifest). The other approach
is to forget "Project Oberon 2013" and try to reanimate ETH-Oberon
and move from there.<br>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 100%" lang="en-US">I have
no idea how large the "Oberon Community" is. 10 or 15 active
people? I think there should be one way to go.<br>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 100%" lang="en-US">End of
my thoughts.<br>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 100%" lang="en-US">BW,<br>
Volkert<br>
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