[Oberon] God as the last Oberon user

[Lisias Toledo]

Ghost in the Machine wrote:

> A three button mouse is not "interoperability with the rest of the
> world" it is non-standard equipment.

A non-standard equipment to be used on a non-standard operational
system, who was born on a non-standard hardware (Ceres, I think). 8-)

EVERY new idea, new concept or new anything are non-standard.

Well, we are stucked on two possibilities...

a) You design and convice some people to work with you (or do it
alone)on a alternative mouse handling routines for Oberon;

b) Forget about Oberon.


> > However, if by the fact that just a few people can code Z-80 we conclude
> > that there's no need to build tools for them, then we shouldn't have ABS
> > brakes cheap enough to use it on every car.
> 
> I do not comprehend your logic here.

Sometimes I think faster than I can explain myself.

Z-80 are the chips used to build ABS brakes here at Brazil. If nobody
cares to build tools for the non-common people, non-common tasks will be
harder to be done.

However, common products are made of non-common tasks, so ignoring
non-common tasks will made things harder to everybody.


> If anyone ever wants the number of Oberon users to increase
> the existing users will have to suffer the pain of using normal
> standard equipment.  I know it will be a sacrifice to not be
> unique but the pain will subside eventually.

I think the main question is not Oberon, but what we call "standard
equipment". 3 button mouse are very common here, and after all, even our
keyboards are different from EUA.

I do not see how to convince, for example, a Brazilian guy to code to a
american standard mouse.


> > As a matter of fact, CA-Clipper is to our legacy softwares what COBOL is
[...]
> > MS/DOS + Clipper under Novell Netware...
> 
> No reason not to if it works.

Until you discover there's no one left to maintain the installed code...
8-(

Well, this is offtopic anyway... 8-)


> I've not seen the Windows version of Oberon.  I am using the DOS single
> FAT file install of Native/Oberon/Beta 08.12.00 because the newer
> Alpha is unfinished and will not install to one large (30 meg) FAT file.

Homework to next weekend: install Native Oberon.


> > I just download Oberon V4 and I've play a little with it. There's somes
[...]

> If I dance from version to version the next messages will blame me for
> not staying with one version.

8-) But it can be a good source of inspiration. I don't telling you to
use that thing. Just play a bit with it and see what do you think.


> Some earn their living that way and are doing quite well.

I know two kinds of Windows guys : the ones that got riped everytime
something strange happens in his/her computer, and the ones who ripes
the first ones. 8-)

The "ripers" uses ANYTHING that must be used to solve the problem, no
matter is Windows, Interix, Linux or TRS-80's BASIC.


> Meanwhile Oberon
> has been an unfinished project for over a decade?

Maybe. As a tool, Oberon solves a problem for his actual developers. If
their problem is solved by a unfinished tool, so Oberon will be a
unfinished tool until someone realizes that a finished Oberon will be a
better problem solver (perhaps for another kind of problems).

What leads to the question : what do YOU wants to solve with Oberon? You
think it will worth modify it to your needs? There are people around you
(and so, with the same problems) who you can convince to help you on
this?

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