[Oberon] PPP Native/Oberon/Beta 08.12.00

[Charles Angelich]

>Message: 8
>Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 01:26:30 +0200
>From: Edgar Schwarz <edgar at edgarschwarz.de>
>To: oberon at inf.ethz.ch
>Subject: [Oberon] Re: ppp
>Reply-To: oberon at inf.ethz.ch
>
>"Ghost in the Machine" <cangelich at famvid.com> wrote:
>
> > > NO Mail didn't see a date with your mails so I overlooked you mails
> > > for a while because they were sorted in out of sight at the bottom
> > > of my inbox.

> > If I can ever get Oberon online that date problem will go away.

>Good.

Not so very good. I decided getting Oberon emailing was going to take
too long.  I'm using Eudora Lite.  Seems to work?

> > > > THEN it tells me to  to use
> > > > NetSystem.SetUser pap:<user><:password>@<provider>
> > > to set the password before dialing?

> > > That's the correct way.

> > OK.  It would be a good idea for me to delete the wrong instructions,
> > correct?

>This meaning no PAPName and PAPPassword in Oberon.Text.

I should delete those parts of Oberon.Text and any references to them?

I'm trying to create a functional version of this install here.

> > > Sorry. PPP and Oberon.Text are out of sync here. No more
> > > PAPName in Oberon.Text.

> > I'm glad you know all this.  I would hate to have to read the
> > source code trying to find this out the hard way.

>See PPP.Tool

Didn't get to PPP.Tool yet.  Took me six tries to find a workable
email client for W31. :-\

> > > Did you read PPP.Text and PPP.Tool ?

> > No.  Was there a note telling me they were available
> > or is this intended to be intuitive?  I wasn't aware that
> > ".Tool"s were to be read.

>So that's another thing to tell Oberon newbees: If you find
>something like <some package>.Tool or <some package>.Text please
>read it. I normally contains some useful information.

I will do that.  Not really a great idea to use ".Tool" as the
name for documention (my opinion) without mentioning this in
the "User Guide".

> > > Use PPP logging even if that's probably more than you want.
> > I'm guessing that you believe the how-to for PPP logging
> > is within the PPP.Text file and that I will be able to scroll
> > to the bottom of that page and read all of it?

>For absolute positioning just use middle mouse button in the scrollbar.
>(Yes I know that you don't like that)
>
> > Anyhow, no, I was referring to the fact that the Oberon documentation
> > is obviously word-wrapped for an 800x600 display but Chapter2.Text
> > can't be scrolled past the chart of compiler switches if you aren't
> > using a 1024x768 driver.  With the 1024 about 1/3 of the frame is
> > white-space and the text is very very small.

>Remember middle mouse in the scrollbar ?

You don't understand. At 800x600 display Chapter2.Text will NOT scroll
down once you reach the chart of compiler switches.  It will not scroll
down if you use the scrollbar, if you hit it with a hammer, nor if you
curse it.  IT WILL NOT ALLOW ME TO READ THE ENTIRE PAGE.

>Middle mouse 'TextDocs.Controls *' with Chapter2.Text selected by the
>star and you will probably see the Gadgets which control linelength.
>So you can change the text width.

Can I increase the font size to something less that sub-micro?

> > I've got a reworked version of wwwboard that I was using at my
> > website for awhile.  I am planning to put it back one of these days.
> > Maintenance nightmare but the perl code does work. ;-)

>I'm not a perl specialist but it's something which was easy to install
>and was mentioned by my provider. And when I tried it, it even seems to
>work with the NO browser.

Yes, it is anybrowser compatible including LYNX.

>BTW, I would prefer my provider to support Python instead of Perl.
>Python is too expensive for me at the moment.

If I get my version online again I will get the URL to you.  My
version looks much nicer. :-)

>http://www.edgar-schwarz.de/wwwboard/ as a means to leave me notes.

> > Won't be much help to me though.  I don't speak German (but am
> > one half German).

>The forum itself is in English and doesn't forbid postings in English.
>So what's your problem ?

I can't get much useful information from text in German and if the replies
were in German I would need to ask someone to translate the text for me.
Sound like a problem to you?

> > > Edgar Schwarz, edgar at edgarschwarz.de, http://www.edgarschwarz/oberon
> > You didn't include the ".de"  in your URL, it doesn't work as typed.

>Sorry :-( Typing late is errorprone.

OK, I believe you.

> > When I tried to download the PPP.Tool documentation I get:
> > Unable to open http://www.edgarschwarz.de/oberon/PPP120.ARC. The site
> > reports that the item you requested could not be found.

>Fixed. But you don't need it probably because it's already part of the 
>regular NO distribution. Also that's an Oberon ARC !

There just aren't any doc files in anything but Oberon ARCs and ZIPs
is there?  This is like trying to break encryption codes.

> > Sometimes I feel I am the only person actually checking this stuff.

>This link was broken only recently when I rearranged my homepage.
>BTW, I really don't know how many people use Oberon PPP. 5, 10 ?
>Because most Oberon users probably have a University setting and connect
>by a LAN. Just a guess.

Well if I die off then the one without a university connect will be
gone and they can delete the dialup PPP section of code.  I wonder
would God use dialup?  LOL