[Oberon] Re: Oberon Digest, Vol 30, Issue 24
rene.krywult at aon.at
Wed Mar 29 23:11:53 CEST 2006
Bluebottle DOES have a browser. I don't see it becoming a widely used OS
in the next 5 years yet.
Zonnon will need some time before it will be ready to become a standard.
And I have my reservations about .NET.
IIRC, POW hasn't seen any development since 2000, I don't think it will
become a standard.
I would take a commercial system like Blackbox (which implements
Component Pascal) or Gardens Point Oberon. I prefer Blackbox, becasue it
is no OpenSource but still is business driven. It is not experimental
anymore but is really ready to use.
> I've been looking at the Oberon options for the last few months, and
>posted a couple of messages here a week or so ago. I had some difficulty
>deciding on a 'flavor' of Oberon to learn. I corresponded with a few
>people off list and got some good hints, but I was using Win2KPro and I
>really couldn't get very far with the packages that are designed for
>Windows. I looked at BlackBox, POW and Mike Spivey's Oxford version.
> Unfortunately, the Oxford version was the only one I had any real luck
>with as far as getting programs written and compiled, it that is the
>word for it. I have to admit that I didn't give BlackBox much of a
> Since then I've decided to complicate my life further and switch to
>Linux, which I have no experience with. My goal is still to learn
>Oberon, but I think that I will have to spend some time learning Linux
>before I can go very far.
> What I need to do now is try to decide on an Oberon package to work
>with. From reading the messages in the list there seem to be more
>options than I thought.
> I would appreciate some input on what YOU would do in this situation.
>Which system do YOU think has the best chance of becoming a standard. I
>don't want to end up going down another evolutionary dead-end, like VB
>6. I say that VB 6 is an evolutionary dead end because of the
>compatibility issues with VB.Net. It appears that the VB 6 family is
>going to die out. I've tried VB.Net, briefly, and it seems less
>appealing than C++.
> I would like to try Native Oberon, but, as I mentioned before, I had a
>lot of trouble figuring out how to do anything with it. The issue wasn't
>with the number of buttons my mouse had. The concept looked great, but I
>never found any explicit instructions on how to create what I would call
>a program. I understand that is not what Oberon calls them. Specifically
>I needed to know how to save a file that I had created. I just never
>figured that out. There is a lot of documentation but it seems to me
>that it makes some assumptions about familiarity with the Oberon-2
>interface. I had no problem finding information on how to manipulate
>widgets, but I didn't ever really understand how to add one to a form.
> Now I've seem some messages about Zonnon and Component Pascal and
>Bluebottle. Bluebottle didn't appear to me to be a complete system.
>Unless I misunderstood, the documentation said it didn't have a browser,
>for instance. Since it appears that most of the documentation available
>for some of these offerings is on the web, lack of a browser would seem
>to a problem.
> I have some experience with computers and programming, but I would be
>trying to use a programming language new to me with an operating system
>new to me. I would appreciate your hearing your thoughts.
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