[Oberon] Oberon Digest, Vol 104, Issue 5
Søren Renner
soren.renner at gmail.com
Fri Dec 7 15:19:59 CET 2012
Active Oberon is perfect for writing a parallelized multicore realtime
raytracer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYSfWcW8cYA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xk5RlOkl9A
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> 1. Re (2): Oberon Digest, Vol 104, Issue 2 (peasthope at shaw.ca)
> 2. Re: Re (2): Oberon Digest, Vol 104, Issue 2 (eas lab)
> 3. Anyone!!! What is LEO?? (Duke Normandin)
> 4. Re: Anyone!!! What is LEO?? (Jan Verhoeven)
> 5. Re: Anyone!!! What is LEO?? (Duke Normandin)
> 6. Re: Anyone!!! What is LEO?? (Bob Walkden)
> 7. Active objects (Douglas G. Danforth)
> 8. Re: Anyone!!! What is LEO?? (Duke Normandin)
> 9. Re: Active objects (Duke Normandin)
> 10. Re: Active objects (Felix Friedrich)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 07:14:54 -0800
> From: peasthope at shaw.ca
> Subject: [Oberon] Re (2): Oberon Digest, Vol 104, Issue 2
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> From: Soren_Renner <soren.renner at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:27:24 +0000
> > Join the 3rd millenium and use AOS though -- both of you!
>
> OK, you've motivated me for another time investment.
> Do you use the AOS graphical interface? Do you run the
> Oberon application or process in AOS?
>
> My most recent foray was to put UnixAos on the OLPC XO-1.5.
> On the little screen, text is too small to read. Next I can install
> it natively and try increasing the font size system wide.
>
> Apart from support for USB and better networking capabilities,
> what are the most significant advantages of AOS over NO in
> your view?
>
> As you suggested months back, I installed xmonad on
> the Debian system and got a menu band across the top
> of the screen. Couldn't get a terminal window open.
>
> I don't ignore your advices. Just slow plodding
> through the details.
>
> Regards, ... Peter E.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 22:32:19 +0200
> From: eas lab <lab.eas at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Re (2): Oberon Digest, Vol 104, Issue 2
> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
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> peasthope at shaw.ca wrote:--
> > My most recent foray was to put UnixAos on the OLPC XO-1.5.
> > On the little screen, text is too small to read. Next I can install
> > it natively and try increasing the font size system wide.
>
> Most linux: X can step the global-magnification.
> What WinManager do you use with Debian?
> I've moved from the RedHat-family [Mandrake, FedoraCore]
> back to Slackware, and blackbox/fluxbox is beutifully compact
> and fast compared to the default KDE-4, which is a monster.
>
> I'm expecting to receive 2 Raspberry Pi soon; one with the
> default Debian installed. But if can't install the superior
> text editor/s of ETHO, the system is half-lame for me.
>
> > Apart from support for USB and better networking capabilities,
> > what are the most significant advantages of AOS over NO in
> > your view?
>
> That's exactly the RIGHT question to ask.
>
> I've got a 500GB Toshiba USB2/3 /dev/sda for backup.
>
> Right now I'm in LEO, editing your Mail.Text which I received via
> the same old familiar ETHO: TextMail utility from the 90's.
> LEO has the old look & feel.
>
> The main difference is that LEO handles full PATH designated files.
> So that eg:
> EditTools.OpenUnix /mnt/toshiba/usr/local/speech_tools/config.log
> opens an ETHO TextFrame with the file on the Toshiba-USB-drive.
> I don't know how. But I suspect that LEO just <hooks into some linux
> socket>.
>
> Remember *nix is magic.
> So imagine what it's like having multiple N-O terminals,
> where EACH one can access all the files that *nix can access,
> and in 3 formats: ETHO, *nix, DOS.
>
> One advantage of opening LEOs in differnt dirs, is that if
> you want to work on 4 texts in that DIR, eg:
> ->System.Directory /mnt/toshiba/usr/local/speech_tools/*
> /mnt/toshiba/usr/local/speech_tools/configure.in
> /mnt/toshiba/usr/local/speech_tools/install-sh
> /mnt/toshiba/usr/local/speech_tools/HelloTst.cc
> /mnt/toshiba/usr/local/speech_tools/config.status
>
> These are inconvenient long-path-names, because I'm
> accessing them from:
> -> System.CurrentDirectory =`pwd` which is: /usr/local/bin/LEO
>
> But if I opened a new LEO, in /mnt/toshiba/usr/local/speech_tools/
> then the filenames would be more managable as:
> configure.in install-sh HelloTst.cc config.status
>
> Besides if you're working on 6 projects, each in their own dir-tree,
> it's better to have a separate LEO for each project, based in the
> relevant dir-tree.
>
> So I use LEO to do a lot of my linux work.
>
> Could your substitute for VNC allow direct pasting from a `man`
> to an ETHO-text, like this Mail.Text?
>
> And can A4 do so?
>
> == Chris Glur.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:01:17 -0700
> From: Duke Normandin <dukeofperl at ml1.net>
> Subject: [Oberon] Anyone!!! What is LEO??
> To: Oberon List <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
> Message-ID: <20121206140117.5d3fdeb0 at lubuntu>
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> Anyone but Chris Glur that is!!!
>
> Pleeaaaaase somebody clue us in as to what/who LEO is??
>
> We KNOW it has to do with NO and Linux - but WHAT exactly??
>
> Just curious!!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 22:48:07 +0100
> From: Jan Verhoeven <jan at verhoeven272.nl>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Anyone!!! What is LEO??
> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
> Message-ID: <201212062248.07218.jan at verhoeven272.nl>
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> On Thursday 06 December 2012 22:01:17 Duke Normandin wrote:
> > Anyone but Chris Glur that is!!!
> >
> > Pleeaaaaase somebody clue us in as to what/who LEO is??
> >
> > We KNOW it has to do with NO and Linux - but WHAT exactly??
> >
> > Just curious!!
>
> I'm on this list now for many years and I still haven't got a clue!
>
> Linux Extended Oberon might be something but what IS it?
>
> --
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>
> Jan Verhoeven
> http://www.verhoeven272.nl
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 16:17:44 -0700
> From: Duke Normandin <dukeofperl at ml1.net>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Anyone!!! What is LEO??
> To: oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch
> Message-ID: <20121206161744.000062dc at unknown>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 22:48:07 +0100
> Jan Verhoeven <jan at verhoeven272.nl> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday 06 December 2012 22:01:17 Duke Normandin wrote:
> > > Anyone but Chris Glur that is!!!
> > >
> > > Pleeaaaaase somebody clue us in as to what/who LEO is??
> > >
> > > We KNOW it has to do with NO and Linux - but WHAT exactly??
> > >
> > > Just curious!!
> >
> > I'm on this list now for many years and I still haven't got a
> > clue!
> >
> > Linux Extended Oberon might be something but what IS it?
>
>
> Good One!!! :)
>
> I've been trying as many "permutations and combinations" as I can
> dream of without getting too bored! Not much success!!
>
> To top it all off, Wirth, Mathias et al, have all moved to Luna!
> Know where *that* is?? lol ...
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 23:29:03 -0000
> From: "Bob Walkden" <bob at web-options.com>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Anyone!!! What is LEO??
> To: "'ETH Oberon and related systems'" <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
> Message-ID: <016201cdd409$7a6117b0$6f234710$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> > From: Duke Normandin [mailto:dukeofperl at ml1.net]
> >
> >
> > Good One!!! :)
> >
> > I've been trying as many "permutations and combinations" as I can dream
> > of without getting too bored! Not much success!!
> >
> > To top it all off, Wirth, Mathias et al, have all moved to Luna!
> > Know where *that* is?? lol ...
> >
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJYxHFyXV70>
>
> B
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:27:04 -0800
> From: "Douglas G. Danforth" <danforth at greenwoodfarm.com>
> Subject: [Oberon] Active objects
> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
> Message-ID: <50C137D8.4010606 at greenwoodfarm.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Folks,
> I only poked at AOS some years ago. Its based on Active Objects, right?
> If so, how many of you actually use that feature of the language/system?
> Does it make for a significant difference (in any aspect)?
>
> Best regards,
> Doug Danforth
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 17:37:49 -0700
> From: Duke Normandin <dukeofperl at ml1.net>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Anyone!!! What is LEO??
> To: oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch
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>
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 23:29:03 +0000
> Bob Walkden <bob at web-options.com> wrote:
>
> > > From: Duke Normandin [mailto:dukeofperl at ml1.net]
> > >
> > >
> > > Good One!!! :)
> > >
> > > I've been trying as many "permutations and combinations" as I
> > > can dream of without getting too bored! Not much success!!
> > >
> > > To top it all off, Wirth, Mathias et al, have all moved to Luna!
> > > Know where *that* is?? lol ...
> > >
> >
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJYxHFyXV70>
>
>
> An old Jonathan King song much performed by various artists!! Loved
> it then, still do now!! That link is blocked here in Canada. :( cuz
> I liked Jan & Dean too!!
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 17:42:44 -0700
> From: Duke Normandin <dukeofperl at ml1.net>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Active objects
> To: oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch
> Message-ID: <20121206174244.00003b78 at unknown>
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>
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 16:27:04 -0800
> "Douglas G. Danforth" <danforth at greenwoodfarm.com> wrote:
>
> > Folks,
> > I only poked at AOS some years ago. Its based on Active Objects,
> > right? If so, how many of you actually use that feature of the
> > language/system? Does it make for a significant difference (in
> > any aspect)?
>
> I tried it! Everything I touched in it seemed to be broken, or
> half-done half-baked.
>
> The web browser was painfully slow, etc etc
>
> It a nice toy, IMHO, that`s it! that`s all!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 08:59:05 +0100
> From: Felix Friedrich <felix.friedrich at inf.ethz.ch>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Active objects
> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
> Message-ID: <50C1A1C9.10405 at inf.ethz.ch>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
> > I tried it! Everything I touched in it seemed to be broken, or
> > half-done half-baked.
> >
> > The web browser was painfully slow, etc etc
> >
> > It a nice toy, IMHO, that`s it! that`s all!
> >
> Duke,
>
> you should not forget that A2, or AOS as it was called previously, was a
> research OS in the first place. A2, running on Active Oberon, features
> multi-threaded (multi-core / multi-processor) applications. The kernel
> is as small as can be for a multi-core environment. No heavyweight
> processes, only fast context switches etc.
>
> Things have progressed meanwhile. A2 and Active Oberon (and the newest
> programming model successor in use for software-hardware co-design
> called "Active Cells" ) are in use now in both, education and industry.
>
> You are right about the web-server. It is neither particularly fast, nor
> is it maintained. I never use it.
>
> I will neither try to defend A2 or Active Oberon here, nor will I try to
> persuade anyone to using it. Enough things to do on the forefront and
> too little time for service.
>
> Regards
> Felix
>
>
>
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