[Oberon] Oberon Digest, Vol 104, Issue 5

[Søren Renner]

Felix Friedrich is correct to use the word "forefront". Several months ago
the compiler sped up enormously. On my i7 box UnixAos compiles from source
in 29 seconds.


On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Søren Renner <soren.renner at gmail.com> wrote:

> Active Oberon is perfect for writing a parallelized multicore realtime
> raytracer.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYSfWcW8cYA
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xk5RlOkl9A
>
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>>    1. Re (2):  Oberon Digest, Vol 104, Issue 2 (peasthope at shaw.ca)
>>    2. Re: Re (2): Oberon Digest, Vol 104, Issue 2 (eas lab)
>>    3. Anyone!!!  What is LEO?? (Duke Normandin)
>>    4. Re: Anyone!!!  What is LEO?? (Jan Verhoeven)
>>    5. Re: Anyone!!!  What is LEO?? (Duke Normandin)
>>    6. Re: Anyone!!!  What is LEO?? (Bob Walkden)
>>    7. Active objects (Douglas G. Danforth)
>>    8. Re: Anyone!!!  What is LEO?? (Duke Normandin)
>>    9. Re: Active objects (Duke Normandin)
>>   10. Re: Active objects (Felix Friedrich)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 07:14:54 -0800
>> From: peasthope at shaw.ca
>> Subject: [Oberon] Re (2):  Oberon Digest, Vol 104, Issue 2
>> To: oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch
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>> From:   Soren_Renner <soren.renner at gmail.com>
>> Date:   Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:27:24 +0000
>> > Join the 3rd millenium and use AOS though -- both of you!
>>
>> OK, you've motivated me for another time investment.
>> Do you use the AOS graphical interface?  Do you run the
>> Oberon application or process in AOS?
>>
>> My most recent foray was to put UnixAos on the OLPC XO-1.5.
>> On the little screen, text is too small to read.  Next I can install
>> it natively and try increasing the font size system wide.
>>
>> Apart from support for USB and better networking capabilities,
>> what are the most significant advantages of AOS over NO in
>> your view?
>>
>> As you suggested months back, I installed xmonad on
>> the Debian system and got a menu band across the top
>> of the screen.  Couldn't get a terminal window open.
>>
>> I don't ignore your advices.  Just slow plodding
>> through the details.
>>
>>  Regards,           ... Peter E.
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 22:32:19 +0200
>> From: eas lab <lab.eas at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Re (2): Oberon Digest, Vol 104, Issue 2
>> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
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>> peasthope at shaw.ca  wrote:--
>> > My most recent foray was to put UnixAos on the OLPC XO-1.5.
>> > On the little screen, text is too small to read.  Next I can install
>> > it natively and try increasing the font size system wide.
>>
>> Most linux: X can step the global-magnification.
>> What WinManager do you use with Debian?
>> I've moved from the RedHat-family [Mandrake, FedoraCore]
>> back to Slackware, and blackbox/fluxbox is beutifully compact
>> and fast compared to the default KDE-4, which is a monster.
>>
>> I'm expecting to receive 2 Raspberry Pi soon; one with the
>> default Debian installed.    But if can't install the superior
>> text editor/s of ETHO, the system is half-lame for me.
>>
>> > Apart from support for USB and better networking capabilities,
>> > what are the most significant advantages of AOS over NO in
>> > your view?
>>
>> That's exactly the RIGHT question to ask.
>>
>> I've got a 500GB Toshiba USB2/3   /dev/sda for backup.
>>
>> Right now I'm in LEO, editing your Mail.Text which I received via
>> the same old familiar ETHO: TextMail utility from the 90's.
>> LEO has the old look & feel.
>>
>> The main difference is that LEO handles full PATH designated files.
>> So that eg:
>> EditTools.OpenUnix /mnt/toshiba/usr/local/speech_tools/config.log
>> opens an ETHO TextFrame with the file on the Toshiba-USB-drive.
>> I don't know how. But I suspect that LEO just <hooks into some linux
>> socket>.
>>
>> Remember *nix is magic.
>> So imagine what it's like having multiple N-O terminals,
>> where EACH one can access all the files that *nix can access,
>> and in 3 formats: ETHO, *nix, DOS.
>>
>> One advantage of opening LEOs in differnt dirs, is that if
>> you want to work on 4 texts in that DIR, eg:
>> ->System.Directory /mnt/toshiba/usr/local/speech_tools/*
>> /mnt/toshiba/usr/local/speech_tools/configure.in
>> /mnt/toshiba/usr/local/speech_tools/install-sh
>> /mnt/toshiba/usr/local/speech_tools/HelloTst.cc
>> /mnt/toshiba/usr/local/speech_tools/config.status
>>
>> These are inconvenient long-path-names, because I'm
>> accessing them from:
>> -> System.CurrentDirectory =`pwd` which is: /usr/local/bin/LEO
>>
>> But if I opened a new LEO, in /mnt/toshiba/usr/local/speech_tools/
>> then the filenames would be more managable as:
>> configure.in  install-sh   HelloTst.cc   config.status
>>
>> Besides if you're working on 6 projects, each in their own dir-tree,
>> it's better to have a separate LEO for each project, based in the
>> relevant dir-tree.
>>
>> So I use LEO to do a lot of my linux work.
>>
>> Could your substitute for VNC allow direct pasting from a `man`
>> to an ETHO-text, like this  Mail.Text?
>>
>> And can A4 do so?
>>
>> == Chris Glur.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:01:17 -0700
>> From: Duke Normandin <dukeofperl at ml1.net>
>> Subject: [Oberon] Anyone!!!  What is LEO??
>> To: Oberon List <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
>> Message-ID: <20121206140117.5d3fdeb0 at lubuntu>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> Anyone but Chris Glur that is!!!
>>
>> Pleeaaaaase somebody clue us in as to what/who LEO is??
>>
>> We KNOW it has to do with NO and Linux - but WHAT exactly??
>>
>> Just curious!!
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 22:48:07 +0100
>> From: Jan Verhoeven <jan at verhoeven272.nl>
>> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Anyone!!!  What is LEO??
>> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
>> Message-ID: <201212062248.07218.jan at verhoeven272.nl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> On Thursday 06 December 2012 22:01:17 Duke Normandin wrote:
>> > Anyone but Chris Glur that is!!!
>> >
>> > Pleeaaaaase somebody clue us in as to what/who LEO is??
>> >
>> > We KNOW it has to do with NO and Linux - but WHAT exactly??
>> >
>> > Just curious!!
>>
>> I'm on this list now for many years and I still haven't got a clue!
>>
>> Linux Extended Oberon might be something but what IS it?
>>
>> --
>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>>
>> Jan Verhoeven
>> http://www.verhoeven272.nl
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 16:17:44 -0700
>> From: Duke Normandin <dukeofperl at ml1.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Anyone!!!  What is LEO??
>> To: oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch
>> Message-ID: <20121206161744.000062dc at unknown>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 22:48:07 +0100
>> Jan Verhoeven <jan at verhoeven272.nl> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday 06 December 2012 22:01:17 Duke Normandin wrote:
>> > > Anyone but Chris Glur that is!!!
>> > >
>> > > Pleeaaaaase somebody clue us in as to what/who LEO is??
>> > >
>> > > We KNOW it has to do with NO and Linux - but WHAT exactly??
>> > >
>> > > Just curious!!
>> >
>> > I'm on this list now for many years and I still haven't got a
>> > clue!
>> >
>> > Linux Extended Oberon might be something but what IS it?
>>
>>
>> Good One!!!  :)
>>
>> I've been trying as many "permutations and combinations" as I can
>> dream of without getting too bored!  Not much success!!
>>
>> To top it all off, Wirth, Mathias et al, have all moved to Luna!
>> Know where *that* is??  lol ...
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 23:29:03 -0000
>> From: "Bob Walkden" <bob at web-options.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Anyone!!!  What is LEO??
>> To: "'ETH Oberon and related systems'" <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
>> Message-ID: <016201cdd409$7a6117b0$6f234710$@com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> > From: Duke Normandin [mailto:dukeofperl at ml1.net]
>> >
>> >
>> > Good One!!!  :)
>> >
>> > I've been trying as many "permutations and combinations" as I can dream
>> > of without getting too bored!  Not much success!!
>> >
>> > To top it all off, Wirth, Mathias et al, have all moved to Luna!
>> > Know where *that* is??  lol ...
>> >
>>
>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJYxHFyXV70>
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:27:04 -0800
>> From: "Douglas G. Danforth" <danforth at greenwoodfarm.com>
>> Subject: [Oberon] Active objects
>> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
>> Message-ID: <50C137D8.4010606 at greenwoodfarm.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Folks,
>> I only poked at AOS some years ago.  Its based on Active Objects, right?
>> If so, how many of you actually use that feature of the language/system?
>> Does it make for a significant difference (in any aspect)?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Doug Danforth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 17:37:49 -0700
>> From: Duke Normandin <dukeofperl at ml1.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Anyone!!!  What is LEO??
>> To: oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch
>> Message-ID: <20121206173749.00005de7 at unknown>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 23:29:03 +0000
>> Bob Walkden <bob at web-options.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > From: Duke Normandin [mailto:dukeofperl at ml1.net]
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Good One!!!  :)
>> > >
>> > > I've been trying as many "permutations and combinations" as I
>> > > can dream of without getting too bored!  Not much success!!
>> > >
>> > > To top it all off, Wirth, Mathias et al, have all moved to Luna!
>> > > Know where *that* is??  lol ...
>> > >
>> >
>> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJYxHFyXV70>
>>
>>
>> An old Jonathan King song much performed by various artists!! Loved
>> it then, still do now!! That link is blocked here in Canada. :( cuz
>> I liked Jan & Dean too!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 17:42:44 -0700
>> From: Duke Normandin <dukeofperl at ml1.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Active objects
>> To: oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch
>> Message-ID: <20121206174244.00003b78 at unknown>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 16:27:04 -0800
>> "Douglas G. Danforth" <danforth at greenwoodfarm.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Folks,
>> > I only poked at AOS some years ago.  Its based on Active Objects,
>> > right? If so, how many of you actually use that feature of the
>> > language/system? Does it make for a significant difference (in
>> > any aspect)?
>>
>> I tried it!  Everything I touched in it seemed to be broken, or
>> half-done half-baked.
>>
>> The web browser was painfully slow, etc etc
>>
>> It a nice toy, IMHO, that`s it! that`s all!
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 08:59:05 +0100
>> From: Felix Friedrich <felix.friedrich at inf.ethz.ch>
>> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Active objects
>> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
>> Message-ID: <50C1A1C9.10405 at inf.ethz.ch>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>>
>> > I tried it!  Everything I touched in it seemed to be broken, or
>> > half-done half-baked.
>> >
>> > The web browser was painfully slow, etc etc
>> >
>> > It a nice toy, IMHO, that`s it! that`s all!
>> >
>> Duke,
>>
>> you should not forget that A2, or AOS as it was called previously, was a
>> research OS in the first place. A2, running on Active Oberon, features
>> multi-threaded (multi-core / multi-processor) applications.  The kernel
>> is as small as can be for a multi-core environment. No heavyweight
>> processes, only fast context switches etc.
>>
>> Things have progressed meanwhile. A2 and Active Oberon (and the newest
>> programming model successor in use for software-hardware co-design
>> called "Active Cells" ) are in use now in both, education and industry.
>>
>> You are right about the web-server. It is neither particularly fast, nor
>> is it maintained. I never use it.
>>
>> I will neither try to defend A2 or Active Oberon here, nor will I try to
>> persuade anyone to using it. Enough things to do on the forefront and
>> too little time for service.
>>
>> Regards
>> Felix
>>
>>
>>
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