[Oberon] Oberon Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11

Fri Dec 14 15:38:10 CET 2012

>
> The thing about Gadgets (and Aos) is that it feels like an attempt to build
> yet another GUI that's essentially the same as Windows and the rest, which
> is not very interesting. The original Oberon concept was very different...

I sort of agree with that -- but the GUI is not the reason I use AOS.
Active Oberon is the reason.

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>    1. Re: Help in using an Oberon systems. (Duke Normandin)
>    2. Re: Help in using an Oberon systems. (Felix Friedrich)
>    3. Re: Oberon Digest, Vol 104, Issue 8 (Jack Johnson)
>    4. Re: Help in using an Oberon systems. (Nemo)
>    5. Re: Help in using an Oberon systems. (Jan Verhoeven)
>    6. Re: Help in using an Oberon systems. (Jan Verhoeven)
>    7. Re: Help in using an Oberon systems. (Jan Verhoeven)
>    8. Re: Help in using an Oberon systems. (Bob Walkden)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 06:58:44 -0700
> From: Duke Normandin <dukeofperl at ml1.net>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Help in using an Oberon systems.
> To: oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch
> Message-ID: <20121213065844.231e9739 at lubuntu>
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> On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:20:52 -0900
> Jack Johnson <knapjack at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > > I would strongly suggest that you change your mind and walk away
> > > from Oberon!! It is a complete waste of time, IMHO.
> > >
> >
> > Grow up, Duke. IMHO.
>
> Fuck off, Jack!! and that's NOT an opinion!!
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:50:49 +0100
> From: Felix Friedrich <felix.friedrich at inf.ethz.ch>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Help in using an Oberon systems.
> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
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> Duke Normandin has been removed from the Oberon mail list.
> I will not let him in again because of his offensive language.
>
> Felix Friedrich,
> Moderator of Oberon Mail List.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 09:25:34 -0900
> From: Jack Johnson <knapjack at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Oberon Digest, Vol 104, Issue 8
> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
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> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Guenter Dotzel <gd at modulaware.com> wrote:
> > Good that you talk about overhead, - in some countries there exists a
> > Datensparsamkeitsgesetz, ;) - many participants - not only in
> > this mailing list - don't care about netikette, i.e. they wildly quote.
>
> Still quoting, but changed to plain text. :)
>
> You know, there's a service called loband designed for people trying
> to get access over bandwidth-restricted connections:
> http://www.loband.org/loband/
>
> I hadn't thought about using loband to streamline sites for more
> lightweight browsers like Oberon's. I'll have to give it a try.
>
> -Jack
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:31:09 -0500
> From: Nemo <cym224 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Help in using an Oberon systems.
> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
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> On 12 December 2012 15:14, Bob Walkden <bob at web-options.com> wrote (in
> part):
> > The book which tells you about the basic Oberon system and how to use it
> is
> > "The Oberon System: User Guide and Programmer's Manual " by Martin
> Reiser.
> > This is what I used when I first started, at about the time the book was
> > published.
> >
> > Programming is described in "Programming in Oberon: Steps Beyond Pascal
> and
> > Modula" by Reiser and Niklaus Wirth, who designed and wrote the system
> with
> > Prof. Gutknecht.
>
> Has anyone read "Oberon Companion: A Guide to Using and Programming
> Oberon System 3" by Fisher and Marais?  (I do not have a copy and am
> curious.)
>
> As an aside, this may not help the original poster but I note that the
> Solaris Sparc version of Oberon System 3 runs very nicely on current
> Sparc boxes.  I can even run it on my Mac over SSH using a
> three-button mouse.
>
> N.
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:47:24 +0100
> From: Jan Verhoeven <jan at verhoeven272.nl>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Help in using an Oberon systems.
> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
> Message-ID: <201212131947.24335.jan at verhoeven272.nl>
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> On Wednesday 12 December 2012 21:34:15 Aubrey.McIntosh at alumni.utexas.net
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Duke Normandin <dukeofperl at ml1.net>
> wrote:
> > > Invest your time with something like:
> > >
> > > https://www.haiku-os.org/
> > >
> > > There, your skills will be put to good use on an active
> > > and Open Source Project!!
> >
> > In what sense is Oberon not open source?
>
> The source for Oberon0 is very hard to get.... I never laid my hands on
> it. There is the Oberon0 that copmes with "Compiler Construction" but
> it is different from the Oberon0 that was used for the Oberon0 boot
> disk of Native Oberon.
> AFAIK it is also not in Project Oberon, For the rest, Oberon may have
> been the very first open source OS on earth. Fully documented open
> source.
> Not 'free, as in free beer' since you had to buy the books. But that
> kind of 'freedom' is a result of the downsides of internet.
>
> --
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>
> Jan Verhoeven
> http://www.verhoeven272.nl
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:55:07 +0100
> From: Jan Verhoeven <jan at verhoeven272.nl>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Help in using an Oberon systems.
> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
> Message-ID: <201212131955.07064.jan at verhoeven272.nl>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Thursday 13 December 2012 19:31:09 Nemo wrote:
> > Has anyone read "Oberon Companion: A Guide to Using and Programming
> > Oberon System 3" by Fisher and Marais?  (I do not have a copy and am
> > curious.)
>
> Yes, my friend Les May has. Not sure if he is still on this list though.
> The book is stll for sale here and there.
>
> --
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>
> Jan Verhoeven
> http://www.verhoeven272.nl
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:34:53 +0100
> From: Jan Verhoeven <jan at verhoeven272.nl>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Help in using an Oberon systems.
> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
> Message-ID: <201212132034.53476.jan at verhoeven272.nl>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Thursday 13 December 2012 19:31:09 Nemo wrote:
> > Has anyone read "Oberon Companion: A Guide to Using and Programming
> > Oberon System 3" by Fisher and Marais?  (I do not have a copy and am
> > curious.)
>
> Yes, my friend Les May has. Not sure if he is still on this list though.
> The book is stll for sale here and there.
>
> Here is a small 'review' by Les:
>
> http://fruttenboel.verhoeven272.nl/Oberon/TheBook.html
>
> --
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>
> Jan Verhoeven
> http://www.verhoeven272.nl
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 23:26:25 -0000
> From: "Bob Walkden" <bob at web-options.com>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Help in using an Oberon systems.
> To: "'ETH Oberon and related systems'" <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
> Message-ID: <018701cdd989$461aa270$d24fe750$@com>
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>
> > From: Nemo [mailto:cym224 at gmail.com]
> >
> > On 12 December 2012 15:14, Bob Walkden <bob at web-options.com> wrote (in
> > part):
> > > The book which tells you about the basic Oberon system and how to use
> > > it is "The Oberon System: User Guide and Programmer's Manual " by
> > Martin Reiser.
> > > This is what I used when I first started, at about the time the book
> > > was published.
> > >
> > > Programming is described in "Programming in Oberon: Steps Beyond
> > > Pascal and Modula" by Reiser and Niklaus Wirth, who designed and
> > wrote
> > > the system with Prof. Gutknecht.
> >
> > Has anyone read "Oberon Companion: A Guide to Using and Programming
> > Oberon System 3" by Fisher and Marais?  (I do not have a copy and am
> > curious.)
> >
>
> Yes, I have a copy of it, and have read most of it I think, and made use of
> much of it, but not in a professional capacity. I use the Wirthian stuff to
> help keep me sane, to refresh my perspective, and to help keep things
> simple. Professionally I have always worked in commercial IT so have always
> used mainstream products, except for a brief interlude in the early 90s
> when
> I wrote a large-ish system in Modula-2.
>
> The thing about Gadgets (and Aos) is that it feels like an attempt to build
> yet another GUI that's essentially the same as Windows and the rest, which
> is not very interesting. The original Oberon concept was very different,
> and
> still stands apart from everything I've used with the possible exception of
> Smalltalk.
>
> B
>
>
>
>
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