[Oberon] On Oberon Sources
Srinivas Nayak
sinu.nayak2001 at gmail.com
Mon Apr 4 09:42:44 CEST 2016
Dear Aubrey,
> You are the latest newcomer to ask these almost identical questions, and they give us the sense of a person flying across the country who is unhappy that he cannot feel the bare ground under his feet and doesn't know why there isn't just a way to open up the floor of the plane so that he can. Stay inside the plane. It is more comfortable, safer, and faster.
:-) You are correct.
Now I get to understand slowly, why things are like this... not as usual...
With thanks and best regards,
Yours sincerely,
Srinivas Nayak
Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/
Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/
On 04/03/2016 09:24 PM, Aubrey.McIntosh at Alumni.UTexas.Net wrote:
> A very useful command is *System.ShowCommands*
>
> I think it takes parameters the very same way as other commands, whether a comma separated tilde terminated list, an up arrow ^, or a star *. I don't have an Oberon running right now, bit it should be very easy to try all three methods, or else open a viewer and read the source.
>
> In the basic system, there should be some popup menus in a .Tool file that you can see, and also the commands such as Edit.Store in the menu bar of any Text viewers that you open. The module names that you find there should be rewarding targets for the command, if you want the activity of the Easter egg hunt rather than just reading the documentation for a day. I myself read some days and enjoy the hunt on others.
>
> If you do a MM+MR on any of the popup menus they should open in their own viewer and allow you not only to see, but also to edit their contents. There is a question of shallow vs deep store when you go to save those changes, and I and almost certainly others have developed local practices to isolate the customizations from the pristine distributed system.
>
> Depending on your release, and the accuracy of my memory, there may be a module named EditTools. It may have a command EditTools.StoreAscii. There may already be a popup menu item with that command in the default TextViewer menu. I myself did some customization of my system, and time has blurred the memory of which is custom and which is the default of the distribution.
>
> Oberon is an incredibly powerful system with a design so sparse that it is difficult to comprehend how it can do so much. The paradox is that a system that you can comprehend with 1 or 2 sentences that does things just like Unix can't be that novel and powerful. You can't make Oberon be "like Unix" and also be something that is revolutionary even 30 years after it was first made public, you have no choice but to choose which you want, the revolution or the familiar.
>
> You are the latest newcomer to ask these almost identical questions, and they give us the sense of a person flying across the country who is unhappy that he cannot feel the bare ground under his feet and doesn't know why there isn't just a way to open up the floor of the plane so that he can. Stay inside the plane. It is more comfortable, safer, and faster.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Bob Walkden <bob at web-options.com <mailto:bob at web-options.com>> wrote:
>
> In System3 there is an EditTools module which includes various converters.
>
> Note - they are converters. What you seem to want to do makes no sense. Oberon and Linux use different file formats.
>
> B
>
> On 3 Apr 2016, at 16:07, Srinivas Nayak <sinu.nayak2001 at gmail.com <mailto:sinu.nayak2001 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >> You mean:
> >> how can I create a Hello.Mod file USING Oberon that contains ONLY
> >> ascii characters of my code?
> >
> > Yes. You took the words right out of my mouth!
> >
> >> NativeOberon & LEO & V4 & BlueBottle/Aos [the only ones I know] can all write
> >> ASCII-only text files.
> >
> > How?
> >
> > I clicked Edit.Open. Typed something into it. Then added a filename at viewer's title.
> > Then clicked System.Store. I got the file. Oped in Linux. No Luck. It shows me blank!
> > In Oberon when I open it, it has the same characters I typed.
> > That means, I was not able to get a plain ascii file using Edit.Open in Oberon.
> >
> > Same I did using Script.Open. No luck. Similar observation.
> >
> >
> > How do you create a plain ascii file?
> > I tried all these in OLR.
> > Because it is easy to create a file in Oberon and immidiately access the file from /olr folder in Linux.
> > Never tried on my NO in vbox, because I don't know how to exchange file between NO and Linux.
> >
> >
> > Kindly refer me the steps to create ascii file, if you are able to do so.
> >
> >
> >> Your question is WRONG.
> >> "do X in Oberon" is not sufficiently defined.
> >> Which version/S of Oberon?
> >
> > You are right.
> > My mistake. I want to know how to do it in NO alpha 2.3.6 (and OLR).
> >
> >
> > With thanks and best regards,
> >
> > Yours sincerely,
> > Srinivas Nayak
> >
> > Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/
> > Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/
> >
> > On 04/03/2016 04:29 PM, eas lab wrote:
> >>> how can I create a simple Hello.Mod file in Oberon that contain pure ascii
> >>> characters of my code?
> >>
> >> You mean:
> >> how can I create a Hello.Mod file USING Oberon that contains ONLY
> >> ascii characters of my code?
> >>
> >> NativeOberon & LEO & V4 & BlueBottle/Aos [the only ones I know] can all write
> >> ASCII-only text files.
> >>
> >> When I transfer files between LEO and M$ or *nix I need to select
> >> LEO's facilities
> >> to read/write in those formats: 4 different commands from a popup menu.
> >>
> >> NativeOberon could only do DOS.
> >> V4 for Linux mistakenly did DOS, but patching the code to do *nix was trivial.
> >>
> >> Your question is WRONG.
> >> "do X in Oberon" is not sufficiently defined.
> >> Which version/S of Oberon?
> >>
> >> == Chris Glur
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