[Oberon] On Oberon Sources

[Srinivas Nayak]

Dear Bob,

> You are failing to understand why Oberon was developed. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of mundane things that Oberon doesn't have which are commonplace on other systems. The purpose of the exercise was not to produce yet another OS indistinguishable from all the rest, but to show how design integrity could extend from the highest to the lowest levels, and produce something original which advances the state of the art. That is what academics are for.

Now I get to understand your earlier messages.
I am ashamed for my misunderstanding. :-(
The design of Oberon is very different, but indeed good one.
Yesterday, I recommended Oberon to one of my friend.


With thanks and best regards,

Yours sincerely,
Srinivas Nayak

Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/
Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/

On 04/03/2016 11:22 PM, Bob Walkden wrote:
> That's a good text to be reading. You'll notice that the source code is there, and there isn't much of it, so you could easily copy it, replacing the OS and Viewers0 imports with the equivalent on your system, and do what you want.
>
>> I can't imagine such a sophisticated OS lacks of such a mundane facility?
>
> You are failing to understand why Oberon was developed. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of mundane things that Oberon doesn't have which are commonplace on other systems. The purpose of the exercise was not to produce yet another OS indistinguishable from all the rest, but to show how design integrity could extend from the highest to the lowest levels, and produce something original which advances the state of the art. That is what academics are for.
>
> But if you want something that is not there, you can write it. As Moessenboeck's book shows, in this case it is mot difficult.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 3 Apr 2016, at 16:54, Srinivas Nayak <sinu.nayak2001 at gmail.com <mailto:sinu.nayak2001 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I see, in the book OOP in Oberon-2, author describes about Plain Texts (Ascii Texts) in 11.3.1 while discussing about Oberon0.
>> And he says Oberon0 is a miniature model of Oberon OS.
>> This makes me think, that in Oberon we should be able to create plain ascii texts which can directly be opened in Linux geany or Windows notepad.
>>
>> Did I misunderstand this?
>> I can't imagine such a sophisticated OS lacks of such a mundane facility?
>> Or am I in a bicycle store asking for shoes, as one of our friend commented once?
>>
>>
>> With thanks and best regards,
>>
>> Yours sincerely,
>> Srinivas Nayak
>>
>> Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/
>> Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/
>>
>> On 04/03/2016 08:49 PM, Bob Walkden wrote:
>>> In System3 there is an EditTools module which includes various converters.
>>>
>>> Note - they are converters. What you seem to want to do makes no sense. Oberon and Linux use different file formats.
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> On 3 Apr 2016, at 16:07, Srinivas Nayak <sinu.nayak2001 at gmail.com <mailto:sinu.nayak2001 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You mean:
>>>>> how can I create a Hello.Mod file USING Oberon that contains ONLY
>>>>> ascii characters of my code?
>>>>
>>>> Yes. You took the words right out of my mouth!
>>>>
>>>>> NativeOberon & LEO & V4 & BlueBottle/Aos [the only ones I know] can all write
>>>>> ASCII-only text files.
>>>>
>>>> How?
>>>>
>>>> I clicked Edit.Open. Typed something into it. Then added a filename at viewer's title.
>>>> Then clicked System.Store. I got the file. Oped in Linux. No Luck. It shows me blank!
>>>> In Oberon when I open it, it has the same characters I typed.
>>>> That means, I was not able to get a plain ascii file using Edit.Open in Oberon.
>>>>
>>>> Same I did using Script.Open. No luck. Similar observation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How do you create a plain ascii file?
>>>> I tried all these in OLR.
>>>> Because it is easy to create a file in Oberon and immidiately access the file from /olr folder in Linux.
>>>> Never tried on my NO in vbox, because I don't know how to exchange file between NO and Linux.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kindly refer me the steps to create ascii file, if you are able to do so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Your question is WRONG.
>>>>>  "do X in Oberon" is not sufficiently defined.
>>>>> Which version/S of Oberon?
>>>>
>>>> You are right.
>>>> My mistake. I want to know how to do it in NO alpha 2.3.6 (and OLR).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With thanks and best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Yours sincerely,
>>>> Srinivas Nayak
>>>>
>>>> Home: http://www.mathmeth.com/sn/
>>>> Blog: http://srinivas-nayak.blogspot.in/
>>>>
>>>> On 04/03/2016 04:29 PM, eas lab wrote:
>>>>>> how can I create a simple Hello.Mod file in Oberon that contain pure ascii
>>>>>> characters of my code?
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean:
>>>>> how can I create a Hello.Mod file USING Oberon that contains ONLY
>>>>> ascii characters of my code?
>>>>>
>>>>> NativeOberon & LEO & V4 & BlueBottle/Aos [the only ones I know] can all write
>>>>> ASCII-only text files.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I transfer files between LEO and M$ or *nix I need to select
>>>>> LEO's facilities
>>>>> to read/write in those formats: 4 different commands from a popup menu.
>>>>>
>>>>> NativeOberon could only do DOS.
>>>>> V4 for Linux mistakenly did DOS, but patching the code to do *nix was trivial.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your question is WRONG.
>>>>>  "do X in Oberon" is not sufficiently defined.
>>>>> Which version/S of Oberon?
>>>>>
>>>>> == Chris Glur
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