[Oberon] Re (n): Names and genealogies.

[Treutwein Bernhard]

As far as I remember, Ivan Denisov does not  claim copyright on the diagram and 
apparently there is yet another version of it here: https://forum.oberoncore.ru/download/file.php?id=6427
which is a bit different from the one at https://oberoncore.ru/_detail/projects/oberongenealogy.png?id=projects%3Agenealogy
but that has to be confirmed by Ivan himself.

@Ivan: Please add a copyright note to the project page and/or directly into the source at 
http://pub.iadenisov.ru/blackbox/oberongenealogy.gv , currently the project says clearly: 
    (c) 2005-2020 OberonCore and the team of authors.
and the missing note copyright in the source renders it difficult to re-use it, as Peter 
notes in his post.

I am happy to forward his mail of 19-Feb-2018  to list (although it is now more than 2.5 years old),
Which was clearly addressed to oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch but somehow blocked (I remember vaguely
that I also had sometimes problems to post to the list  from my private address).  

Regards
--
  Bernhard

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From: Joerg <joerg.straube at iaeth.ch> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 2:17 PM
To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
Subject: Re: [Oberon] Re (2): Names and genealogies.

I like the colors
- blue: Language
- yellow: Operating System
- red: HW

Just as a remark to the genealogy:
a yellow box "Medos-2" could be added; running on (red) Lilith HW
https://www.research-collection.ethz.ch/handle/20.500.11850/137906

Medos-2 can be seen as grand grand father of today's Oberon system.

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From: peter at easthope.ca <peter at easthope.ca> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 4:49 PM
To: oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch
Subject: [Oberon] Re (n): Names and genealogies.

From:	Treutwein Bernhard <Bernhard.Treutwein at Verwaltung.Uni-Muenchen.DE>
Date:	Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:47:03 +0000
> https://oberoncore.ru/projects/genealogy

Thanks Bernhard.  A novice will find that graph relatively meaningful. 

In comparison, a novice will find
https://web.archive.org/web/20191011164622/http://www.ethoberon.ethz.ch/genealogy.html
more difficult.  No offense to the author intended.  Just an observation.

From:	Joerg <joerg.straube at iaeth.ch>
Date:	Wed, 21 Oct 2020 14:17:21 +0200
> I like the colors
> - blue: Language
> - yellow: Operating System
> - red: HW

green: Oberon compiler running on non-Oberon system?
grey: commercial entity?

From:	Joerg <joerg.straube at iaeth.ch>
> Just as a remark to the genealogy:
> a yellow box ... running on (red) ...

Good.  Can graphviz do that?

iadenisov wrote?
> dot oberongenealogy.gv -Tpdf -o oberongenealogy.pdf

Treutwein Bernhard Bernhard.Treutwein at Verwaltung.Uni-Muenchen.DE Tue Jan 8 13:23:26 CET 2019 
> (apparently a Graphviz source).

Thanks Bernhard.
https://graphviz.org/

Oberon systems continue to evolve.  An explanatory document in a wiki 
should be editable.  graphviz provides that.  Holding my breath for an 
energetic volunteer to make a graph not violating copyright of 
oberoncore.ru and contribute to Mediawiki Commons.  =8~)

Regards,                             ... L.

-- 
Tel: +1 604 670 0140            Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Treutwein Bernhard <Bernhard.Treutwein at Verwaltung.Uni-Muenchen.DE> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 1:47 PM
To: oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch
Subject: Re: [Oberon] Re (2): Names and genealogies.

Today I stumbled over a mail of Ivan Denisov, which he had sent to the list on 19-Feb-2018, 
but which does not show up in the archive ...