[Oberon] n-o: timer-reset chit-chat
shark at gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca
shark at gulfnet.sd64.bc.ca
Fri Oct 17 18:37:32 CEST 2003
Chris, Samps and others,
cg> How many of you got nailed by the swen virus ?
... macho and deny problems.
I certainly did and comments are in my Web pages.
Swen is a bad nuisance.
cg> The linux box (which gives deeper
diagnostic/traces than n-o )
Oberon PPP will log every byte if you tell
it to.
cg> 1. as I have repeatedly reported: after an abort eg. power down
to modem during ppp connected, the ser-control to modem
fails on further dial attempts.
I've probably observed that more than once.
Certainly Oberon PPP needs work.
Previously you mentioned the difficulty in
comprehending the PPP sources and in tracing
execution. A "small" project, which would
really help, is to write an EBNF representation
of the protocols. It is mentioned in
http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/PPPnotes.
My current effort is in setting up PPP on a
Linux system so that I have something to test
Oberon PPP against.
cg> ... ISP has allocated me a login-name with
an embedded "@" char ...
That might be fixed. Have a look at Edgar's
latest release.
cg> Apparently because I posted a few News-articles,
... with my return adrs. showing, ...
Thank the ETH for not publishing addresses in
headers of submissions to the Oberon list.
Pity that usenet and many mailing lists publish
addresses. Swen could be nicely hobbled simply
by cutting off the supply of addresses.
cg> The lack of these types of simple 'Howtos' ...
Doesn't the Web based documentation cover that
requirement? Thanks to André Fischer and others,
there are many well written pages. Mention a
few of the most bothersome deficiencies and
someone might be able to address them.
cg> ... n-o usage will never grow.
If Oberon/AOS do remain in a niche, is it so bad?
Far more people drive than cycle but cycling
remains the most efficient means of travel.
Try to convince a dedicated cycle commuter to
drive to work.
s> use of it as a practical tool is, at best,
a pipedream.
Oberon works very well in tandem with another
system. At home I routinely edit files with
ET and RX in Oberon and send them to an old
Mac IIfx for processing. The file transfer
happens in a second or two. I can continue
editing in Oberon while OzTeX on the Mac formats.
ET and RX are much more efficient than Alpha
on the Mac.
At work Oberon is beside Debian Linux.
Oberon is much better than vi for reading manual
pages and Oberon is better than Lynx for most
Web browsing. Conversely, Linux provides a pdf
viewer.
I prefer to describe Oberon and AOS as pipedreams
partly realized. Doesn't every invention begin
as a dream?
Regards, Peter E.
http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/
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