[Oberon] Oberon Digest, Vol 162, Issue 8
Dieter
d.gloetzel at web.de
Tue Nov 21 09:57:01 CET 2017
Hi Sören,
could you be a bit more specific about this graphics genius and his
achievements?
Regards
Dieter
Am 20.11.2017 um 18:48 schrieb Søren Renner:
> That?s another way of saying that Oberon isn?t exactly a growth
> story. There were more Oberon developers in the 90s..
>
> Well, but at least one of the current coders working in Oberon has
> created something that will shake the foundations of realtime
> graphics. So Oberon might become less obscure again.
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 6:00 AM, <oberon-request at lists.inf.ethz.ch
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: V4 versus S3 survey (eas lab)
> 2. Re: Translating ETHOberon 2.5 to C (eas lab)
> 3. Re: V4 versus S3 survey (Skulski, Wojciech)
> 4. Re: V4 versus S3 survey (Douglas G Danforth)
> 5. V4 versus S3 survey (Andreas Pirklbauer)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 13:16:43 +0000
> From: eas lab <lab.eas at gmail.com <mailto:lab.eas at gmail.com>>
> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch
> <mailto:oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] V4 versus S3 survey
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> <CAN3-DLHp95wV+N0-Hc9niQ8GJjc083HFq2nKjs5KXkMV2khVXQ at mail.gmail.com
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> It's important to realise why-would-you-want-to-use Oberon ?
> When you have a complex problem, that needs simultaneous inspection of
> many files,
> and intermediate reluslts, and especially where coloring parts of the
> textFrames shows
> the otherwise difficult to appreciate relationship between various
> sections of the text in
> the various TextFrames.
> In the 90s Oberon gave these advantages [still unsurpassed], but the
> introduction
> of new technology, eg, the monsterously complex USB, could have
> made ETHO
> redundant, had ETHO not been portable enough to be allowed to
> ride-on-top-of
> *nix.
>
> For me: V4 was the only version I could find, while I was forced
> to use M$pook;
> and like the *nix version was some relief from the restrictions of
> M$, but like
> the *nix version lacked the ease of directly being able to
> read/write anywhere
> in the file tree -- which AFAIK only Linux Eth Oberon can do.
> LEO also has the massively powerful ability to directly execute
> *nix commands
> and scripts [and show the results]. So eg. the [absurd IMO] inability
> to <List the
> N most recently-ordered files>, needs only LEO's System.Execute to
> call:
> Lz /mnt/USBstik/Med/Cases/F*g/ 22
> to show the name and size of the ordered-by-recentcy 22 files, in
> directory
> [don't use M$pook baby-talk and call it a folder]
> /mnt/USBstik/Med/Cases/F*g/
> .....
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 01:39:25 +0000
> From: eas lab <lab.eas at gmail.com <mailto:lab.eas at gmail.com>>
> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch
> <mailto:oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] Translating ETHOberon 2.5 to C
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> <Note sheet> format must be very <graphic>,
> getting close to hardware ?
> Needing access to ETHO's functions which don't exist in C.
> C is just a language, not an OS.
>
> ETHOberon is a language and an OS [driving hardware].
> These O to C translators wont handle the <Note sheet rendering>.
>
> PublicDomain wily [my most used linux utility] is based on ETHO:
> mouse-chording & multiple TextFrames in multiple Tracks accessible
> on the single screen. But they've just copied the CONCEPTS and not
> tried to translate-Oberon-to-C
>
> Unless your app just generates the <data> which is finally fed to some
> <standard renderer>. Eg. we can use any language/system to translate
> a text file to a corresponding pdf rendering of it.
> But the final <note sheet> is created by the pdf renderer.
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 06:41:45 +0000
> From: "Skulski, Wojciech" <skulski at pas.rochester.edu
> <mailto:skulski at pas.rochester.edu>>
> To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch
> <mailto:oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] V4 versus S3 survey
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> Hello:
>
> I want to thank everybody who responded. Those who did not,
> please do!
>
> The results thus far are available through this link. I hope it
> works for everybody.
>
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-YSV9HDQJ8/
> <https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-YSV9HDQJ8/>
>
> My impression looking at the results is the following:
>
> 1. The community is small. Assuming that 29 persons who responded
> (thank you!) represent 1/2 of the community, there are under 100
> Oberon users worldwide.
>
> 2. I was surprised that many of you prefer the original TUI Oberon
> over V4 or S3.
>
> 3. I was even more surprised to see six FPGA developers, plus
> seven potential developers. It is more than I know in the entire
> nuclear physics community, where FPGAs are critically important.
> Our community could serve the entire country!
>
> 4. There are three potential board developers, including myself.
>
> 5. The market for a new more powerful board is six customers.
>
> So this is quite interesting. Good to know!
>
> Thank you again!
>
> Wojtek
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 23:43:48 -0800
> From: Douglas G Danforth <danforth at greenwoodfarm.com
> <mailto:danforth at greenwoodfarm.com>>
> To: oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch <mailto:oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
> Subject: Re: [Oberon] V4 versus S3 survey
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> Don't forget the Russian contingent who are developing in
> BlackBox/Component Pascal.
>
> On 11/19/2017 10:41 PM, Skulski, Wojciech wrote:
> > 1. The community is small. Assuming that 29 persons who
> responded (thank you!) represent 1/2 of the community, there are
> under 100 Oberon users worldwide.
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> > 1. The community is small. Assuming that 29 persons who
> > responded (thank you!) represent 1/2 of the community,
> > there are under 100 Oberon users worldwide.
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> That?s another way of saying that Oberon isn?t exactly a growth
> story. There were more Oberon developers in the 90s..
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