[Oberon] Oberon Digest, Vol 162, Issue 8

Dieter d.gloetzel at web.de
Tue Nov 21 09:57:01 CET 2017


Hi Sören,

could you be a bit more specific about this graphics genius and his 
achievements?

Regards
Dieter

Am 20.11.2017 um 18:48 schrieb Søren Renner:
> That?s another way of saying that Oberon isn?t exactly a growth
> story. There were more Oberon developers in the 90s..
>
> Well, but at least one of the current coders working in Oberon has 
> created something that will shake the foundations of realtime 
> graphics. So Oberon might become less obscure again.
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 6:00 AM, <oberon-request at lists.inf.ethz.ch 
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>     Today's Topics:
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>        1. Re: V4 versus S3 survey (eas lab)
>        2. Re: Translating ETHOberon 2.5 to C (eas lab)
>        3. Re: V4 versus S3 survey (Skulski, Wojciech)
>        4. Re: V4 versus S3 survey (Douglas G Danforth)
>        5.  V4 versus S3 survey (Andreas Pirklbauer)
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>     Message: 1
>     Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 13:16:43 +0000
>     From: eas lab <lab.eas at gmail.com <mailto:lab.eas at gmail.com>>
>     To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch
>     <mailto:oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>>
>     Subject: Re: [Oberon] V4 versus S3 survey
>     Message-ID:
>            
>     <CAN3-DLHp95wV+N0-Hc9niQ8GJjc083HFq2nKjs5KXkMV2khVXQ at mail.gmail.com
>     <mailto:CAN3-DLHp95wV%2BN0-Hc9niQ8GJjc083HFq2nKjs5KXkMV2khVXQ at mail.gmail.com>>
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>     It's important to realise why-would-you-want-to-use Oberon ?
>     When you have a complex problem, that needs simultaneous inspection of
>     many files,
>     and intermediate reluslts, and especially where coloring parts of the
>     textFrames shows
>     the otherwise difficult to appreciate relationship between various
>     sections of the text in
>     the various TextFrames.
>       In the 90s Oberon gave these advantages [still unsurpassed], but the
>     introduction
>     of new technology, eg, the monsterously complex USB, could have
>     made ETHO
>     redundant, had ETHO not been portable enough to be allowed to
>     ride-on-top-of
>     *nix.
>
>     For me: V4 was the only version I could find, while I was forced
>     to use M$pook;
>     and like the *nix version was some relief from the restrictions of
>     M$, but like
>     the *nix version lacked the ease of directly being able to
>     read/write anywhere
>     in the file tree -- which AFAIK only Linux Eth Oberon can do.
>     LEO also has the massively powerful ability to directly execute
>     *nix commands
>     and scripts [and show the results]. So eg. the [absurd IMO] inability
>     to <List the
>     N most recently-ordered files>, needs only LEO's System.Execute to
>     call:
>       Lz /mnt/USBstik/Med/Cases/F*g/  22
>     to show the name and size of the ordered-by-recentcy 22 files, in
>     directory
>     [don't use M$pook baby-talk and call it a folder]
>     /mnt/USBstik/Med/Cases/F*g/
>     .....
>
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>     Message: 2
>     Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 01:39:25 +0000
>     From: eas lab <lab.eas at gmail.com <mailto:lab.eas at gmail.com>>
>     To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch
>     <mailto:oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>>
>     Subject: Re: [Oberon] Translating ETHOberon 2.5 to C
>     Message-ID:
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>     <Note sheet> format must be very <graphic>,
>     getting close to hardware ?
>     Needing access to ETHO's functions which don't exist in C.
>     C is just a language, not an OS.
>
>     ETHOberon is a language and an OS [driving hardware].
>     These O to C translators wont handle the <Note sheet rendering>.
>
>     PublicDomain wily [my most used linux utility] is based on ETHO:
>     mouse-chording & multiple TextFrames in multiple Tracks accessible
>     on the single screen. But they've just copied the CONCEPTS and not
>     tried to translate-Oberon-to-C
>
>     Unless your app just generates the <data> which is finally fed to some
>     <standard renderer>. Eg. we can use any language/system to translate
>     a text file to a corresponding pdf rendering of it.
>     But the final <note sheet> is created by the pdf renderer.
>
>
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>
>     Message: 3
>     Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 06:41:45 +0000
>     From: "Skulski, Wojciech" <skulski at pas.rochester.edu
>     <mailto:skulski at pas.rochester.edu>>
>     To: ETH Oberon and related systems <oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch
>     <mailto:oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>>
>     Subject: Re: [Oberon] V4 versus S3 survey
>     Message-ID:
>            
>     <DM5PR0701MB3672C5244CE2BAFE92502858FF220 at DM5PR0701MB3672.namprd07.prod.outlook.com
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>     Hello:
>
>       I want to thank everybody who responded. Those who did not,
>     please do!
>
>     The results thus far are available through this link. I hope it
>     works for everybody.
>
>     https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-YSV9HDQJ8/
>     <https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-YSV9HDQJ8/>
>
>     My impression looking at the results is the following:
>
>     1. The community is small. Assuming that 29 persons who responded
>     (thank you!) represent 1/2 of the community, there are under 100
>     Oberon users worldwide.
>
>     2. I was surprised that many of you prefer the original TUI Oberon
>     over V4 or S3.
>
>     3. I was even more surprised to see six FPGA developers, plus
>     seven potential developers. It is more than I know in the entire
>     nuclear physics community, where FPGAs are critically important.
>     Our community could serve the entire country!
>
>     4. There are three potential board developers, including myself.
>
>     5. The market for a new more powerful board is six customers.
>
>     So this is quite interesting. Good to know!
>
>     Thank you again!
>
>     Wojtek
>
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>
>     Message: 4
>     Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 23:43:48 -0800
>     From: Douglas G Danforth <danforth at greenwoodfarm.com
>     <mailto:danforth at greenwoodfarm.com>>
>     To: oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch <mailto:oberon at lists.inf.ethz.ch>
>     Subject: Re: [Oberon] V4 versus S3 survey
>     Message-ID:
>     <8caf39c6-a812-6ee6-80cc-ccd42a3de664 at greenwoodfarm.com
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>     Don't forget the Russian contingent who are developing in
>     BlackBox/Component Pascal.
>
>     On 11/19/2017 10:41 PM, Skulski, Wojciech wrote:
>     > 1. The community is small. Assuming that 29 persons who
>     responded (thank you!) represent 1/2 of the community, there are
>     under 100 Oberon users worldwide.
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>     Message: 5
>     Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:49:46 +0100
>     From: Andreas Pirklbauer <andreas_pirklbauer at yahoo.com
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>     > 1. The community is small. Assuming that 29 persons who
>     > responded (thank you!) represent 1/2 of the community,
>     > there are under 100 Oberon users worldwide.
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>     That?s another way of saying that Oberon isn?t exactly a growth
>     story. There were more Oberon developers in the 90s..
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